From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 23:15:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB9E6B865 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: from apnoea.adamw.org (apnoea.adamw.org [104.225.5.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "apnoea.adamw.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA4E6DD8D for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: by apnoea.adamw.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id db554cfc TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:15:38 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? From: Adam Weinberger In-Reply-To: <5A246D28.2020007@sorbs.net> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:15:36 -0700 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6881393C-BCE0-4F3E-B5AA-FC2FF995628D@adamw.org> References: <1512211220.79413.1.camel@yandex.com> <20171202184356.GA980@lonesome.com> <20800E88-36EC-49C4-A281-EA6BAB212DBF@adamw.org> <5A246D28.2020007@sorbs.net> To: Michelle Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 23:15:44 -0000 > On 3 Dec, 2017, at 14:31, Michelle Sullivan = wrote: >=20 > Adam Weinberger wrote: >>=20 >> You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break = in HEAD sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't = have breakages, or users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the = quarterly branch. Portmaster works perfectly on quarterly. Always has. >>=20 >=20 > Quarterly is just a frozen HEAD with no/minute chances of security = patches or other changes... why would you want to be there? I couldn't = even get someone to patch a security issue before the pkg_*->pkgng = change.. was patched 4 days later despite having the patch in the bug = before... and despite asking for the patch to be put in the quarterly = they didn't either. One continues to watch the exodus. The MFH process was very complicated at first, and many committers = didn't participate in it. Now it's largely automated and expected of all = ports committers. The quarterly branches these days receive essentially = all security fixes and most build fixes. As with all things FreeBSD, = it's a best-effort process. Quarterly is mostly static, and receives no unnecessary updates. It also = receives no known breakages. That's the tradeoff between it and head. We do the best we can, and if things get missed it's because we need = more community involvement. If you can't handle the flux of HEAD, stay = on quarterly. If you need the cutting-edge, use HEAD. As you noted, we = are strained for resources to keep quarterly going; we simply don't have = the ability to provide another in-between level. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org