From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 22:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C400A16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-in.m-online.net (svr8.m-online.net [62.245.150.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AAB43F75 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:17:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from h@schmalzbauer.de) Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-onlne.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0C2915 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:17:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de (ppp-62-245-233-37.mnet-online.de [62.245.233.37]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F21700B for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:17:27 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Schmalzbauer To: current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:17:27 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Birthday: 06 Oktober 1972 X-Name: Harald Schmalzbauer X-Phone1: +49 (0) 163 555 3237 X-Phone2: +49 (0) 89 18947781 X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-Country: Germany Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-03=_AIys/HxYF/smKrf"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200311130717.36281@harrymail> Subject: ULE and very bad responsiveness X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:17:35 -0000 --Boundary-03=_AIys/HxYF/smKrf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_3Hys/Tugd1kwh8Y" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_3Hys/Tugd1kwh8Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: body text Content-Disposition: inline Hi, from comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc: Kris Kennaway wrote: > On 2003-11-13, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: >=20 >> Well, I don't have any measurements but in my case it's not neccessary at >> all. I built a UP kernel with ULE like Kris advised me. >=20 > Are you running an up-to-date 5.1-CURRENT? ULE was broken with these > characteristics until very recently. If you're up-to-date and still > see these problems, you need to post to the current mailing list. >=20 > Kris Yes, I am running current as of 13. Nov. =46ind attached my first problem description. Thanks, =2DHarry --Boundary-01=_3Hys/Tugd1kwh8Y Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="forwarded message" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Harald Schmalzbauer : Re: fyi: freebsd 5-current performance vs debugging Return-Path: Received: from mail-in.m-online.net (svr8.m-online.net [62.245.150.237]) hAD6DwCG002597 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:13:58 +0100 Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-onlne.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D028190F for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:13:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de (ppp-62-245-233-37.mnet-online.de [62.245.233.37]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A73EE16FE8 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:13:53 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Schmalzbauer Subject: Re: fyi: freebsd 5-current performance vs debugging To: Harald Schmalzbauer Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:14:02 +0100 References: <4bgrob.g5r.ln@xor> Lines: 55 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-Id: <20031113061353.A73EE16FE8@mail.m-online.net> X-UIDL: @kp!!H Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On 2003-11-12, Ivan Voras wrote: >>> Kris Kennaway wrote: >>>> On 2003-11-11, Ivan Voras wrote: >>>> >>>>> Debugging in 5-current halves the overall performance for non >>>>> cpu-only processes and ULE scheduler still offers less performance >>>>> than 4BSD. >>>> >>>> No, your data shows no statistically-significant difference between >>>> ULE and 4BSD. >>> >>> Well, I agree 6 measurements[*] are not much, but then again, it points >>> to a correlation and some folks need all the speed they can get (and >>> don't have MP systems). >>> >>> >>> [*] bytebench runs 6 measurements for each test. >> >> There's no correlation unless you do enough measurements to measure >> it. Your numbers showed an tiny difference which may or may not be >> real. > > Well, I don't have any measurements but in my case it's not neccessary at > all. I built a UP kernel with ULE like Kris advised me. > Seti is always running with nice 15. > When I try to install a already built (compiled) port it takes about 2 > minutes to complete (in this case the nvidia-driver). > When I stop seti it is done in about 5 Seconds like usual. Also when > building a port, the first make-fetch-extract-patch-configure steps take > 100 times the time against seti not running. > With the old scheduler I dind't even recognize that seti was running > (that's what nice 15 should affect I think). > On the other hand, starting up kde doesn't make any noticable difference, > but starting (and working) with kmail does. It's not the factor 100 or so > like with the make process but noticably more sluggish where I couldn't > feel any difference with the old scheduler. > > Please tell me what I should do. If there's no solution I'll switch back > in a view days because I loved BSD for the great responsiveness under high > load. I always had seti runnning, compiling in the backgroung, listening > music and do my daily work without any problem on a 1Ghz machine. > > Thanks, > > -Harry > > > >> >> Kris --Boundary-01=_3Hys/Tugd1kwh8Y-- --Boundary-03=_AIys/HxYF/smKrf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/syIABylq0S4AzzwRAvutAJ48WBaVkbriwwj8J13c2G3LkPyHtgCeIfHp 3/kGSWs8OjL4FTaC5Gflon8= =WX5T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-03=_AIys/HxYF/smKrf--