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Mon, 20 Jul 2026 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutt-hbsd ([97.112.164.127]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 586e51a60fabf-4568e748463sm9788342fac.17.2026.07.20.14.13.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 20 Jul 2026 14:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 21:13:16 +0000 From: Shawn Webb To: Adrian Chadd Cc: vermaden , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hbsd 15.1-STABLE-HBSD FreeBSD 15.1-STABLE-HBSD HARDENEDBSD amd64 X-PGP-Key: https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/blob/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3zobc5fyufujjvzb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3tXc6pr1z4Lsl X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --3zobc5fyufujjvzb Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound MIME-Version: 1.0 I was hoping to submit a few bugs, but ${LIFE} keeps me sufficiently busy these days. ;-) If I can open up some spare time, I'll take a deeper look. Just been really low priority for me, and the lack of bug reports shows. I suspect a couple HardenedBSD features might be getting in the way, most notably our notion of untrusted kernel modules. I need to do some extra debugging (that FreeBSD users would normally not have to do) beforehand so I don't submit a bug report not applicable to FreeBSD. Thanks, --=20 Shawn Webb Cofounder / Security Engineer HardenedBSD Signal Username: shawn_webb.74 Tor-ified Signal: +1 (719) 756-1197 / activist_opsec.27 https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A= 4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 11:21:47AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > y'all! >=20 > please file bugs. like, whenever i have an audio problem i fire off a > bug and then i poke christos on IRC and we figure it out. >=20 > I have like 11 laptops running freebsd-16 dating back to a T420 and > early macbook air laptops. I haven't got anything earlier as they > start being i386 and not amd64. > Audio works on all of them just fine. >=20 >=20 > -adrian >=20 > On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 at 07:01, Shawn Webb wro= te: > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 02:04:25AM +0200, vermaden wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > For a start lets define some TERMS. I use UPPERCASE not to shout - bu= t to underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - thi= s is plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that= in mind - now - to the core of the issue ... > > > > > > I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all= ALSA/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world ... but not= anymore. > > > > > > Somewhere between 14.3-RELEASE and 14.4-RELEASE things begin to get b= roken - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15.1-RELEASE would so= lve my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things. > > > > > > I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into t= his: > > > > > > % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=3D+0.05 > > > > > > ... from MUCH MORE friendly syntax. > > > > > > But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable ... and I can= not even tell where they came from ... is it OSS problem? Is is PulseAudio= problem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the logs for au= dio. > > > > > > Its also possible to get that file from my personal 'mediafire.com' a= ccount here: > > > - https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sou= nd.mp4/file > > > > > > ... and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday ... its a ThinkPad T= 480 from 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth as Carl= os Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP ... but not anymore. > > > > > > I do not even know what to add here ... its a message send our of des= pair ... as newer releases only made these things worse ... I have been rep= eating this over and over again - but its again probably the issue that 'to= o less' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily driver/desktop/laptop= system. > > > > > > Sorry to disappoint. > > > > I've been experiencing audio issues as well since the recent work > > started a little while ago (a year? two years? my chronological memory > > isn't the best.) > > > > It's broken bad enough that I now don't use audio on my systems at > > all. I haven't filed any bug reports, though, because it just hasn't > > been a priority for me. I've got tons of other systems where audio > > works fine and it's not really a bother to use those instead of my > > fbsd/hbsd systems. > > > > The only downside is when I want to make sure the YouTube link I'm > > about to post in random places is really the right one from an audio > > perspective. > > > > Perhaps some day I'll care enough about the problem to actually dig > > in. But for now, I've got higher priority items on my list to tackle. > > I just thought I'd provide another anectodal data point with this > > email. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Shawn Webb > > Cofounder / Security Engineer > > HardenedBSD > > > > Signal Username: shawn_webb.74 > > Tor-ified Signal: +1 (719) 756-1197 / activist_opsec.27 > > https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb= /03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc --3zobc5fyufujjvzb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJPBAABCAA5FiEEA6TL67gupaZ9nzhT/y5nonf44foFAmpej14bFIAAAAAABAAO bWFudTIsMi41KzEuMTIsMiwzAAoJEP8uZ6J3+OH6AhEP/AgMyymzJjzn8Tb3KdmV 9AS1MzNFhe6UsAGxh0a9XtOE4uAfBH3CBL3kSvVG3gdN6cKomocXrwiCAqnhbse4 GWNSESWY68dI+mCGnHkZ7Nj5eA2/urvYree0m6ASTO5QKhypt5tkO5IJ1wCQJjLv uJW3gmiTBTT3YQ277oOJQPjbPSSOO4WbLjHJN0bhidLdSqRhBHPJYLm9/zCpPt0I 3tf2C0IS3/OqahWYrZ9XIImPSqTo3cFEk6MqFHPgRUIukruFBEkZr1nq7N8l9gbO coECjaICwvOrim0xJaXHj8cx1fVIgmx36hBwDY5g2OIGEdRlPeXMmFqQQ2ebIj6I gVFwxeBBUKM3QWbK7Ms5gLd1CuHLbmsrJBwHBjNB210Eyu+CWHSJB245+FJNPYIW GnzAM7YnDqQmATCEStH/bcxk34mgcY2TGYYnZ0UdKiSgm3y2vWi14MImj42nyRfx pUBEXd4hQEe0pEgHmLQj/Gc/hzASMsTdJqSWFsmWSJuA0UzZRm7xItKheBt0w66O 071QfRZIlvXhDgwxjWpBK7PgTEAYUsqOv0FGPvRdZzZG1cPbAuSfI4o5bzzPCBBc iut2dEXpV+tdeeWLnvbM8FcDJi7FH3xYqZdDJs8vT0n2LXh4tMhcJk062iGqjEQQ /HH9xaG1JP+19b/Kg+kBS594 =Ykj1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3zobc5fyufujjvzb--