From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 12 16:21:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E699C733E4 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1F931A0C; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (50-196-156-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.156.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uBCGKvIk022416 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: The ports collection has some serious issues To: Baptiste Daroussin , Daniil Berendeev References: <20161208122802.5d6dy7hjkkusms7h@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:20:52 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161208122802.5d6dy7hjkkusms7h@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:21:05 -0000 On 8/12/2016 8:28 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 05:16:24AM +0000, Daniil Berendeev wrote: >> Hello guys! >> >> First of all, it's not a hate mail, I appreciate all the work done on >> the system and I enjoy using FreeBSD every day. >> >> But after some recent experience I'd like to point out some problems >> that make using the ports collection uncomfortable and painful. >> >> Some overview before we start: >> * Why I use ports over pkg? >> Because, generally, packages are built with poor default options, for >> example moc isn't able to play .alac/.mod and that's frustrating. > Lot's of work has been done over the last years improve the default options for > general pupose cases. Have you open an issue about that one? but we still need a way to specify "minimum options please" to stop dependency fanout from going too wild. I touched a port last week that required about 200 others, a lot of which would not have been needed for what I would call a common functionality configuration. > > > Have you considered using things like poudriere that would allow you to build > your own repository with your own set of packages and options. > > You will benefit: > - ability to use pkg for your upgrades > - ability to use customize your packages > - safe rebuild process (in case of broken ABI) > > Best regards, > Bapt I'm actually slowly moving to this if I can work out how to specify my own chroot image, and a few other things I need to tweak. (my own sets of patches to add).