From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 8 23:28:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2596A16A41F for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:28:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5661843D48 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:28:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with SMTP id j88NS3he027195; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 02:28:04 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) by orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j88NS3tE001197; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 02:28:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j88NS3gq001196; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 02:28:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.daedalusnetworks.priv: keramida set sender to keramida@freebsd.org using -f Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 02:28:03 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Greg Barniskis Message-ID: <20050908232803.GA975@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <43206857.1010803@daleco.biz> <20050908165328.GB37407@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20050908173646.GO20229@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20050908175519.GA20222@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050908203203.GP20229@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20050908204628.GC38895@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20050908204803.GQ20229@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <4320BC57.4080006@scls.lib.wi.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4320BC57.4080006@scls.lib.wi.us> Cc: Gerard Seibert , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Printing MAN pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:28:07 -0000 On 2005-09-08 17:33, Greg Barniskis wrote: > Stijn Hoop wrote: > [snip... sorry about the attributions] > >>> > >>>How about: > >>> > >>> -t Generate a Postscript version of the manpage, intended for > >>> printing, by using /usr/bin/groff -S -man to format the > >>> manual > >>> page, passing the output to stdout. The output from > >>> /usr/bin/groff -S -man may need to be passed through some > >>> filter or another before being printed. > >>> > >>>That way I can do /print in less and still get some useful hint. > >> > >>You all know that groff is thirdparty software, right? We have to take > >>this with the groff developers, if the change is ever going to be > >>imported in FreeBSD. > > > >Hmm, no I didn't realize that. Guess that's too much work for such a minor > >change :( > > Except that (if I read the thread right) the proposed change is > actually to the man page for man, not the man page for groff. ;) > > Might suffer similar "ownership" and maintenance issues, but I doubt > it. If man's not part of the native BSD core, what is? Ah! I misunderstood the original post then. Thanks Greg! Of course we can update man(1). It's part of the src/gnu/ thirdparty source, but the manpage is already off the vendor branch, so we can make changes if necessary. Stijn and everyone else, any particular preference for the text that we add? Would something like the following be ok? -t Use ``/usr/bin/groff -S -man'' to format the manual page, passing the output to stdout. The default output format of groff(1) is Postscript, but see the manual page of groff(1) for ways to pick an alternate format. Depending on the selected format and the availability of printing devices, the output may need to be passed through some filter or another before being printed. We may have to send the changes we make to Federico Lucifredi too (the maintainer of man-1.6 and latter), since the 1.6a version that I downloaded from [ http://primates.ximian.com/~flucifredi/man/ ] a few minutes ago, still uses the text that Stijn feels is a bit cryptic. - Giorgos