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Subject: Re: configurable device (and other) tables in the kernel ?
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In message: <20070203073709.B10325@xorpc.icir.org>
            Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@icir.org> writes:
: On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:29:41AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote:
: ...
: > : All of the above can be fixed - especially the documentation part,
: > : but that doesn't mean that the hints mechanism can already do
: > : what i was asking; there is still a bit of work to do...
: > 
: > True.  Things could be better documented.
: > 
: > However, the more fundamental problems remain.  It does no good to
: > have a fancy binary loader with every kind of plug and play info if
: > few of the drivers in the system use tables in a consistant way.
: > That's a big problem to solve...
: 
: well but that also can be fixed. e.g. many of the usb and quirks
: tables, i think, are already reasonably structured so if
: a mechanism is in place it won't take much work to adapt
: them, maybe one at a time.

Quirks, yes.  Device tables, no.  I guess it depends on how generic
you want it, and how universal.

Warner