From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 10:58:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447BB16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmsrelay03.mx.net (cmsrelay03.mx.net [165.212.11.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E149D43D46 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2004 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from optimator.noacks.org [65.69.0.65] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/noackjr@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 320iDkR7i0374M38; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:08 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 65.69.0.65 AUTH noackjr@usa.net optimator.noacks.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C3D615F; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 51180-08; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www.noacks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 338C060FD; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 192.168.1.9 (SquirrelMail authenticated user noackjr) by www.noacks.org with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1409.192.168.1.9.1081706286.squirrel@www.noacks.org> In-Reply-To: <20040411125530.GA45531@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <001401c41f21$9634efd0$1e64a8c0@spotripoli.local> <1747.192.168.1.9.1081619654.squirrel@www.noacks.org> <20040411125530.GA45531@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jon Noack" To: "Daniel Lang" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at noacks.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOR: sys/kern/sys_generic.c:902 sys/fs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:387 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:11 -0000 Daniel Lang wrote: > Hi John, > > Jon Noack wrote on Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 12:54:14PM -0500: > [..] >> I got this same one today. Seems like this one even has a PR: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dkern/55175 >> >> Like I said, I'm not going to put any work into the web page until I >> find >> someone to commit a pointer to it when you get a lock order reversal. >> Otherwise, the page is of limited value (we will still get peppered wi= th >> questions on the list). > > Why do you insist on the pointer to be present before you start your > webpage? You are making a chicken-egg-problem out of it, while there is > no need. IMHO a webpage with information, but no prominent pointer is > preferred over a pointer in the LOR message to a nonexisting webpage. > > I am confident, once your webpage is set up and contains some > useful information, there is someone, who will add the hint to > the error-message. But not the other way round, no one will > commit a hint to something, which doesn't exist. This may not have been clear: I wasn't asking anyone to commit it *before= * the page goes up. I was asking for someone to make a *commitment* to commit a pointer after the page goes up. I'm not going to put the time into making the page and still have people asking the same question for the millionth time because few know about the page. Heck, part of the reason I'm making the page is to save myself the annoyance of seeing the same questions every day. It's best for all involved for the page to be prominent (as in, mentioned in the LOR warning). Brian Feldman has now made the commitment. Once I put up a decent page, he'll commit the pointer. If you'd like to help, let me know. Jon Noack