From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 5 9:10:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAADA37B416 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16iIRy-000Kfk-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:10:06 +0000 Received: from angel.raggedclown.net (angel.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.7]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [buffy]) with ESMTP id D0F2C13040 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by angel.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [angel], from userid 1005) id 3568622593; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:05 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020305171005.GD705@raggedclown.net> References: <000c01c1c322$df0f22a0$0101a8c0@noc2> <20020304202541.U91555-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <20020305015104.GA40292@core.usrlib.org> <20020305114625.GA11426@raggedclown.net> <20020305144726.B89475@energyhq.homeip.net> <20020305154017.GB17913@genius.tao.org.uk> <20020305164957.A91495@energyhq.homeip.net> <20020305155144.GD17913@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020305155144.GD17913@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org But since all hackers are crackers, but not every cracker is crackers, or a hacker.. :) I believe that it is actually the word "hackers" that has been hijacked and misused by journalists when they mean crackers. Hackers comes from the common expression "to hack code" and is not (or was not) perjorative. A crackers is not just someone who breaks game protections, it is someone more like a "safe cracker", someone who breaks any kind of secure (so-called) system. I always find this talk of "script kiddies" as sweeping away a problem as some kind of juvenile vandalism. There are much more serious people at work on it than that. As a parallel, you may think bicycle thieves are just .. well someone walking down the street and stealing a bike, which is often the case. On the other hand bicycle theft in Europe is on a massive professionally criminal scale, a lot of these bikes get exported to Africa where a bicycle is a primary means of transport in many areas, and are sold there. I think a DoS attack may well be someone having fun with some script they picked up on the net somewhere; on the other hand it takes some intelligence to work out how to wiggle your way through holes in the TCP/IP protocols, or in implementations thereof. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message