From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 20 22:51:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1191065673 for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 22:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D948FC16 for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 22:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so4122087vws.13 for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 15:51:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aBONaVrlzj9pGFOputZG29M0FuMGzzgjGxAx1e59Xis=; b=iJM6uS82vIpB5DaBmyWJLuZbpXuxIk6HtUJA5yjegrKTIf2xBPFc1Whn/g64AM/YvU 87rGzCA7qyOKW77sb0lWQqWUM0fbSR4+6ycgho2BQjAf7vBSY/9S+T/NA587gv1tcNQr fCO0GgsXN8fSwjmNV7N+MiXdfLaP3koMHU7m8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XW3T+ycjV+luPTWcJKJP2/AHgMqy+lgG+7dlcLde0HCTuIX5m/Yk8hzP9R69qUeSAf aAPwcvcoS0uQrUO+AIgdzpWH46Hw01XsCwS6B/SdZOpkvEf9CvdWyMhja30oQh2BwvlE 1OsOiLBIFwG8FKdoS7B2L7x+KIUf3bJOin3s8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.9.136 with SMTP id ow8mr52780vcb.78.1305931886147; Fri, 20 May 2011 15:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.177.75 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2011 15:51:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DD4DB50.3040402@freebsd.org> References: <1305746792.1538.11.camel@xenon> <4DD4DB50.3040402@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 17:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jeremy Messenger To: Joe Marcus Clarke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gnome@freebsd.org, Michal Varga Subject: Re: Transforming GNOME Into A Linux-Only Project (link) X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 22:51:27 -0000 On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke wro= te: > On 5/18/11 3:26 PM, Michal Varga wrote: >> I'll just leave this here as I'm basically speechless, and it's probably >> not worth commenting anyway. >> >> But for those who might be interested and don't necessarily keep up with >> the latest 'news', clicky: >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DOTQ1Nw > > GNOME has been heading down this path since 2.0 was released. =A0It's bee= n > a slow process, Yep.. For example, recently, in the gnome-screensaver 3.x. They removed src/gs-auth-helper.c with no reason. All we have to do is to readd it on our own and it works fine. > but the decisions that were made around hal, devkit, > etc. are unmistakable signs that GNOME is abandoning the OSS desktop in > favor of a Linux desktop. > > Is this a bad idea? =A0Yes and no. =A0These days, people expect a desktop= to > have a tight OS integration. =A0They like the ability to have mobility, > hardware awareness, sexy graphics, etc. as part of their desktop > experience. =A0So a desktop can't be completely OS-agnostic. =A0However, > what GNOME and fd.o could have been better about is to make truly open, > well-documented standards so that vendors like Solaris and *BSD could > plug in bits to provide OS integration. =A0Say what you will about hal, > but hal had this. =A0The udev stuff does not. > > To me, GNOME could add OS-level integration and provide clear > delineation as to what is PI and what is PD. =A0The PD stuff should have > open specifications. =A0That's the OSS model. =A0But if the GNOME guys wa= nt > to make GNOME into the Linux OS, that's their call. =A0GNOME 2.x is still > open. =A0Perhaps the fork efforts being discussed will take off. Or write our very own WM for BSD only. :-P Cheers, Mezz > Joe > > -- > Joe Marcus Clarke > FreeBSD GNOME Team =A0 =A0 =A0:: =A0 =A0 =A0gnome@FreeBSD.org > FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=20 mezz.freebsd@gmail.com - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org