From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 7 14:52:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6CD16A41C for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:52:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.20.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E18043D53 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:52:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 46661 invoked by uid 1005); 7 Jul 2005 14:52:25 -0000 Received: from rainer@ultra-secure.de by bsd.ultra-secure.de by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamdscan: 0.85. spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(213.196.191.65):. Processed in 0.031305 secs); 07 Jul 2005 14:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.100.179?) (rainer@ultra-secure.de@213.196.191.65) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 14:52:24 -0000 Message-ID: <42CD41A5.8050703@ultra-secure.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:52:21 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200507071427.j67ERvRn073014@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200507071427.j67ERvRn073014@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Samsung X20-XVM 1600-V X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:52:28 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: >Rainer Duffner wrote: > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > They give a 2-year pick-up warranty. What more could I > > > ask for? > > > > They don't say how long it takes to "pick" it up > >Yes, they do: Next workday. > > > and you don't know how long it takes until you get it back. > >5 to 7 days, including pick-up and return. > > > That's good. From FSC, I'd get a replacement notebook meanwhile (at least, my colleague was offered one, when he went to Sinitec's service-point with his E7010). > > While various trade-magazine horror-stories may not be representative, > > they are reason enough for me to stay away from consumer-level > > notebooks: simply too many customers and too little incentive for > > vendors to produce quality goods. > >There are horror stories for every major vendor, consumer- >level or not. I agree that they're not representative, >but I refuse to pay twice the price for the same hardware >(basically) just because the vendor is a "big" name and >doesn't call the thing "consumer-level". > > > You pay twice the price basically for that fact that: - you've got extended warranty (3 years) - replacement-parts will be available for 3 or 5 years (at a price, possibly) - the notebooks are generally less susceptible to breakage - spare-parts and add-ons are interchangably between models of the same series - for a Dell, your support-calls are not routed to India ;-) I can say that compared to the Samsungs I've seen in store, my Lifebook feels much more robust, though this comes at the price of higher weight. If you have the samsung in front of you, open the lid and close it several times and ask yourself: "Can I do that 1500 times?" ;-) >Personally, 500 Euros make a huge difference for me when >buying a notebokok for my private desk at home. My options >are not to select between a cheap one or an expensive one >-- it's rather to select between a cheap one or keep using >my old one. > >Mind you, 1199 Euros is _not_ really cheap in my opinion. > > Depends. I'd have bought a PowerBook back then, but I didn't have the 3k € for "the big one" exactly lying around. >There are notebooks for as few as 699 Euros (sempron-based, >512 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 1024x768 SiS VGA). >_Those_ are cheap. > > > The saying in de.comp.sys.notebooks goes like this: "Buy too cheap and you're going to buy twice". They'll also recommend you HP, IBM, Dell and FSC there, together with Acer-laptops (yuk). Dell is also quite good (I hear), and the hardware is pretty "standard" for a notebook. Too bad you can't go to a shop and try-before-you buy. Rainer