From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 8 04:26:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289C341435 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 04:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@anatoli.ws) Received: from out-mx.anatoli.ws (out-mx.anatoli.ws [177.54.157.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "out-mx.anatoli.ws", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49gKvB17Hmz4QKc for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 04:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@anatoli.ws) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.1]) by out-mx.oprbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 864221E00BCA; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 04:26:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anatoli.ws; s=vnptcm0lqn; t=1591590365; bh=R/A9R0ittUp1uLbnkJKDhuXqHpWCjxTuywyd+o49j/U=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=M7+sv9AYiR5VuHsv/Rnx9WucHVChSPeBoV42idW/xy0qIc/DTh7ciZ3LcVhlg0Wuq rCVByGeDEGUvPfyXqnVUm78jmMZt6AcgrCkffQe+G5leyTuY7j087z0WCG/FELVvY1 My6p/ctUazPqIu3TOsNxWszcohfP2ztGm0wSS9HOS9xuferEhn/Zrc0S82x+QAqf1r I5w5z6RE/+s+KQ6KKz/oWvIIPfH6NzETJBF21BZh2T7iGLLso7WRXZ+6+LorM1s4gM lhszePqFYhYaDTQ+re5NRnDCKxva5Z+5T/0ErJDaVbNB8PB5ZrrSNhsPMRtYLN2Zbh ugaGnFx6/Dgig== Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd To: Wesley , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> From: Anatoli Message-ID: <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 01:26:02 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49gKvB17Hmz4QKc X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=anatoli.ws header.s=vnptcm0lqn header.b=M7+sv9AY; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=anatoli.ws; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of me@anatoli.ws designates 177.54.157.124 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=me@anatoli.ws X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[anatoli.ws:s=vnptcm0lqn]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:out-mx.anatoli.ws]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.013]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[anatoli.ws:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[anatoli.ws,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.629]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.038]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:262287, ipnet:177.54.156.0/22, country:BR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 04:26:15 -0000 IMO * FreeBSD: servers (performance, stability, relative security, zfs), competes directly with Linux * OpenBSD: routers/firewalls, desktops (the most secure OS and a really good desktop, but its absence of server-class performance is its weakest side + no zfs (just ffs2) and limited virtualization (no SMP) so not suitable for any serious server load where absolute security is not a must). The king in its niche (paranoid security) * NetBSD: toasters & freezers (runs on anything, otherwise not sure what's the point :), competes with FreeBSD and Linux (and Linux now supports more archs/platforms than Net). IMO no clear vision and thus attracts too little resources both human and economic. IMO midterm not much hope for survival, same as DFly and smaller BSDs. I believe that OS development is an economy of scale (doing things more efficiently or having other advantaged with increasing size) with a tendency for a monopoly in the same niche. There are some features that the larger players establish as a commodity, but that are very time-intensive and complex to develop (e.g. virtualization, wifi ac and now ax). So what Linux implemented more than a decade ago, the BSDs are just catching up now. Linux world had 2 "obstacles" to its almost flawless growth recently (systemd and a ZFS alternative). Now that the things have almost settled up, if they don't commit any more serious errors I don't see how the BSDs (except OpenBSD as it's not a direct competitor) could compete with it in the long term. Now with ZoL/OpenZFS the long-term future even for FreeBSD is not that clear (and the recent iX decisions [1] [2] are a clear sign). [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/truenas-isnt-abandoning-bsd-but-it-is-adopting-linux/ [2] https://www.truenas.com/TrueOS-Discontinuation/ On 7/6/20 22:35, Wesley wrote: > greetings, > > There were freebsd and netbsd (maybe others?) in BSD world. > What points did they focus by design? > what are their use scenes then? > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"