From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 17:13:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8C014BBAC3; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE5BD8CE84; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id n52fgiY7DnBo4n52ggzZez; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:13:24 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=J8fUEzvS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=kMf0utG4AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=GVNTdyTywv08V8XI7aIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=of2mfszF-hMA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=TTWE1O2ssfbasxdXZsrT:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from android-68f84e02b5988183.esitwifi.local (S0106788a207e2972.gv.shawcable.net [70.66.154.233]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 532C7C44; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:13:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:12:58 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOVF8FDxpRwCkfgNdL+5Rf/tL9jSyZgecSKKmfvymE4qNGY4pWnJkbgy+zFy/QpZP6jFx1cAvZaNxyZBMr0rgadZZhPrOAkWhSM8BGsPS+CvQwLxokU4 eiAOBi7WBCjxX1LpD659OLDtW2O5QWfuYcdR1sHDp23emnFu1MeGSPEXiiLrvHDtAWglM2vHrBWQtH5BNtyzi1SPcbjD7IpvcdTLQl8hGGqbw831uPFmUryY beWnQ1pZCTORH+cnhZJ9Dw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CE5BD8CE84 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:32 -0000 On January 25, 2019 8:57:51 AM PST, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I would like to import mksh in base, https://www=2Emirbsd=2Eorg/mksh=2Eht= m >And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) > >Why: >1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting >the >expectation are bigger >2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what most >people >are used to with bash and shells as default root shell on other BSD and >most >linuxes >3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the >major >complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new comers >and >also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have not >yet >installed/configured a bourne compatible shell > >What this proposal is _NOT_ about: >1/ the removal of tcsh from base >2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh > >What do you think? >Best regards, >Bapt Why not ksh93 instead? It is the original and authoritative Korn shell=2E = EPL is compatible with the BSD license=2E Personally, I've been toying with= the idea of importing ksh93 for a while now=2E As to replacing root's shell, replacing tcsh is a large POLA violation=2E = Maybe give users the option at install time instead=2E=20 --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E