From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 6 13:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3786B16A4DD for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC17F43D49 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:29:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31671 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 13:29:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KhFla758wTsXgFvwf7dYO+edN32Ghnf54rO2bVdAMsi0f/eoq7RBaK2xlgigNQlHJMAV0LJxReWivvlTngF5OU7qqO616cNHHVTol/ogkx2Cdw7iKWRtsUVyfrtoGIm1ikR+uvdSdIe+avbZjn4tGdLMG5diq/vUP3qeDWI0RO8= ; Message-ID: <20060906132950.31669.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.240.228.37] by web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:29:50 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060906121514.GA62439@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:29:51 -0000 --- Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-05 22:50, Bill-Schoolcraft > wrote: > > If just a "relatively" small handful of dedicated > FreeBSD coders can > > produce an OS that will install on damm near > "ANYTHING" I always found > > it troubling that SUN Microsystems, with all it's > resources, could > > not, at the least, make their x86 OS (think > Solaris-10) install with > > support, for lets say, what FreeBSD had for 4.2? > > > > I mean, all the drivers are available, wouldn't > one think that they > > could at least support what FreeBSD supports in > terms of number of > > devices? > > I don't speak officially *for* FreeBSD, but let's be > a bit realistic > shall we? There are both good and bad points for > both FreeBSD and > Solaris. I'm sure someone can find hardware on > which FreeBSD can not > be installed at all. The same can be said for > Solaris. In the end, > it is all a matter of what hardware you have and > what your particular > application requires :-) > > Having said that, I am more comfortable with the > FreeBSD-way of doing > most things, so when I have the choise and *both* > systems can be used, > I usually pick FreeBSD just because it is the one I > know best. > I think to be fair, SUN is mostly concerned with making an OS for THEIR hardware and systems, and it is nice of them to release an x86 version for free. FreeBSD.org is only concerned with releasing an OS and since they don't develop hardware they must support more stuff because they have more hackers at their disposal making "obscure" equipment work. And if it didn't work the relatively small group of users would shrink even more, or run Linux; {shudders.} SUN sells to the military and those with deep pockets who can afford their equipment, FreeBSD is just trying to keep the spirit of BSD alive and well. It makes sense that SUN will only use a few configurations of PCs that are likely to be found in a military contractor, or enterprise corporations arsenal; especially on a system (V10) they release without making money. Its unfortunate but that is life; I'm sure in their minds if you can get it to run on a PC they hope you will buy a Sparc of Sunfire, or whatever line their up too now. It's advertising. I think the important thing to remember in all this is every system using one version of UNIX over another is one more machine not running NT. And since NT is single handedly stealing code, and destroying internationally set standards I think the more UNIX the merrier. Even if you're running a Mac... I find the most important thing is trying to get people to realize a computer isn't ment to tell you what you can or cannot do, an Administrator should be able to kill any running process on a system, you should be able to choose what software is installed on your computer, your web browser or PNP system shouldn't allow Viruses or software in general to be installed on your machine without your knowledge or consent, and most importantly you should be able to take your hard drive out of your machine and put it in another one and keep on going. Solaris is cool if it will run, FreeBSD will run if Solaris won't; lets band together and destroy Micrsoft... :) -brian