From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 20:48:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@nevdull.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE6A57EB for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [8.8.178.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hub.freebsd.org", Issuer "hub.freebsd.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2B9D35F for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A84F77EA; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@nevdull.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8D17E9 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-in7.apple.com (mail-out7.apple.com [17.151.62.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68F7F35E for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay8.apple.com (relay8.apple.com [17.128.113.102]) by mail-in7.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id AD.29.09370.D9478855; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e16-f79856d00000249a-e5-5588749da2f2 Received: from [17.149.233.88] (Unknown_Domain [17.149.233.88]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay8.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 6F.A3.00725.D9478855; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: pkg From: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:48:28 -0700 Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: john.haraden@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCYpju3pCPU4Nx1Hov5v96xWHSf7GZ2 YPKY8Wk+i8esWYeZApiiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDJWT1Iv6OGv+HB6InsD4wvuLkZODgkBE4n7 Sy8xQthiEhfurWfrYuTiEBLYxyhxvnsaG0zR3x3XGCESU5kkThzeBJZgFtCSuPHvJROIzSug J/Ho6WN2EFtYQEBixvZfzF2MHBxsAmoSEybygIQ5BWwllm/qBCthEVCV+LdhISvEGGOJuVMb WSBsbYllC18zQ4y0kjix/QBYXEjARuL+hVYwW0RASmLj2g2sIOMlBGQlvm6VAzlNQuArq8Sc bxOYJjAKzUJy3Swk181CsmIBI/MqRqHcxMwc3cw8c73EgoKcVL3k/NxNjKDwnW4ntoPx4Sqr Q4wCHIxKPLwz7NtDhVgTy4orcw8xSnOwKInz5iZ0hAoJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLg lGpg3F7Ds5Gf6aD2moicBQ47V/a4inIZSh2KsvY+/GIFY1ep3m3LJR33XR0fHhT5u/W03N12 c9dvQkrfj5x4Pkn4TUD9jS9bsgyOdhrvdp1wbb+84NLP5s0lbx/O3b6q/t3klV9q/TxT4zYo TFsSNPfl3zqLT/59jNXajKHPDze8jJ98ZVGK9bX9bUosxRmJhlrMRcWJAKky7n5AAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOPVlhO7cko5QgwmzuCzm/3rHYtF9spvZ gcljxqf5LB6zZh1mCmCK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MpYPUm9oIe/4sPpiewNjC+4uxg5OSQETCT+ 7rjGCGGLSVy4t56ti5GLQ0hgKpPEicOb2EASzAJaEjf+vWQCsXkF9CQePX3MDmILCwhIzNj+ i7mLkYODTUBNYsJEHpAwp4CtxPJNnWAlLAKqEv82LGSFGGMsMXdqIwuErS2xbOFrZoiRVhIn th8AiwsJ2Ejcv9AKZosISElsXLuBFWS8hICsxNetchMY+WchOWgWkoNmIZm6gJF5FaNAUWpO YqWFXmJBQU6qXnJ+7iZGULg1FKbtYGxabnWIUYCDUYmHd4Z9e6gQa2JZcWXuIUYJDmYlEV6+ lI5QId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4zSHCxK4rwLlreECgmkJ5akZqemFqQWwWSZODilGhgPqx8T 0Eqbd+33a9bTdzZoLHfWm5TQ5Fj5763ymrkTnpopcG3V6Vd/8PnFrZLZWhaX8qtYfNtcfvLp L/8k8VnG5GXHm6AdDheVuK/nHv7L9sz1hEzt9PlXZVdt+bOWe5nx/aI/UwS1ArPtThYvY531 X8SR8+cC3xcLly592GTqXvpGLSpp5eJwJZbijERDLeai4kQALvG8JDMCAAA= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:48:31 -0000 On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:12 PM, john.haraden--- via freebsd-questions = wrote: > (1). I have a work station with two Xeon processors. > (2) I have installed FreeBSD 10.1 > (3). I have no internet connection. > (4) When I tried to use pkg to make my system fully functional, the = system declared pkg was not in the base system, I would need to fetch it = over the Internet. That is impossible since I do not have internet = capability. You get a fully functioning FreeBSD system from the .iso images. If you = want to install external / third-party software, then using ports or pkg = via the Internet is a good solution, but it is not the only option. > (5) Is there some other way for me to get pkg? Sure. You can download pkg and the packages you want to have it install = onto a USB drive, burn them to a CD/DVD, etc. Note that the FreeBSD project provides a larger image with some common packages included as a DVD = image, ie: FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > (6) Why was something as basic as pkg not included in the base = system? Packages and ports are not part of the base system by definition. I've got production firewalls based upon FreeBSD still running at = clients which never needed or had any additional third-party software installed on = them, for example.... > After all, the system is supposed to be self-contained? It is. FreeBSD is self-hosting and can be bootstrapped from source via the included compiler toolchain. > (7) I tried to install my old version 5.3, but the hardware would not = accept it. Good. You'd be missing a decade worth of security fixes, if nothing = else. > (8) Do I have any alternative to discarding the new hardware and = FreeBSD? You have many alternatives, but feel free to select the most = melodramatic option if doing so pleases you. Regards, --=20 -Chuck