From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 26 05:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE6D37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.packet.org.uk (public2-with1-3-cust50.bagu.broadband.ntl.com [80.5.52.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707F344017 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd-x@packet.org.uk) Received: from xaphod by mailgate.packet.org.uk with local (Exim 4.20) id 19VVVN-000E9y-BL; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:05:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:05:33 +0100 From: Peter McGarvey To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20030626120533.GA54119@packet.org.uk> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030625214311.00e5e240@localhost> <20030626010357.J508@hub.org> <20030626110336.GW34365@iconoplex.co.uk> <20030626113553.GA53078@packet.org.uk> <20030626115133.GA57378@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030626115133.GA57378@iconoplex.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: RMS says: "Use BSD, for goodness sake!" X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:05:35 -0000 * Paul Robinson [2003-06-26 12:52:11 BST]: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:35:53PM +0100, Peter McGarvey wrote: > > > * Paul Robinson [2003-06-26 12:04:33 BST]: > > > awk - encourage people to port their code away from awk. Big. > > > > Does anyone actually USE awk? > > Yes. > > > Other than to filter columns that is. > > That's exactly what it's used for. I haven't seen anybody use awk for more > than a command line `awk '{print $4, $6}'` in years. I know one guy who uses > it for other stuff, and he's moving it all to perl anyway. If we were to > write a 'colprint' command that would do the same thing, most people would > not notice the difference if it went. Well, `cut` can handle columns. I seem to remember there are definite reasons why I prefer awk, but it's likely just lazyness. > > Doesn't OpenBSD have a preferance for BSDL? I seem to remember the pf > > project kicked-off due to a problem with the IPFilter licence. Perhaps > > we should see what we can lift from them. > > Good point, but if memory serves, the last time I looked at OpenBSD there > was still a chunk of GPL floating around. > > The big one is gcc. Remove that, and we're really rolling. The alternatives > aren't very good though - TenDRA? I remember the troll a few weeks ago > suggesting this, and maybe it's a plan. The impact would be massive though. > All those makefiles with command line options to be passed to gcc... Just had a quick look on the OpenBSD website. One of their stated aims is: Integrate good code from any source with acceptable copyright (Berkeley style preferred, GPL acceptable, NDA not). We want to make available source code that anyone can use for ANY PURPOSE, with no restrictions. Which is how I see things. I don't consider the GPL as evil, but using GPL code requires too much effort. > The more I look at that list though, the more of them I think could be > pulled out as external packages/ports My thoughts exactly. -- TTFN, FNORD Peter McGarvey Freelance FreeBSD Hacker (will work for bandwidth)