From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 2 22:24: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C231637B401 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D43E3B for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g835NtHu012961 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020902.232344.21272060.imp@bsdimp.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64 bit API/ABI changes proposal for -current From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200209022308.g82N896t038011@apollo.backplane.com> References: <20020902223634.6DFFD2A88D@canning.wemm.org> <200209022308.g82N896t038011@apollo.backplane.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200209022308.g82N896t038011@apollo.backplane.com> Matthew Dillon writes: : Peter, you are again not reading what I'm posting carefully enough. : I said very specifically that we wouldn't be using the fractional : stuff for this case. I think that this is a worthy problem to solve. But not for 5.0. It is too late in the game to be playing games this big with the ABI. It will have to wait for 6.0, even if the problem is extremely pressing and hurting people today. It is just too late. We should be focusing on polishing/finishing the features that are already in the tree, or nearly ready to go into the tree. The scope of this proposal seems too large given that we're two or three months out from a release. If you are looking ahead to 6.0, then I think now is a good time to start since we can do the cut over just after we do the branch in a few months. This will also give us time to prototype and test things so we don't have any false starts. We may even be able to retrofit it into 5.1 or 5.2, but even if we can't that's OK. I mean, I've stalled for three years getting cardbus into a release. If we can live w/o a clear and present technology for a couple of years, we certainly can wait a little bit to solve the time problem. imho. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message