From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 15:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B83816A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B06443D45 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so436349wri for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CDb6P8qLbYaqDcEhhrEAbnkHrLLm2dfqoNvmHa96PekGTJMKdl+8x3Wtw4KkUJ0Kl2eOxHKDO7bs1PqaDvo1qccic5QkfEekNWl3c/ISOnObmlazts0cBiZypjMbm3B7HDc6TK/1ZVlGST7d8MDTYlYS/9YwDtRI2L4PTnBcxSc= Received: by 10.65.183.7 with SMTP id k7mr772659qbp; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.188.5 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54db43990601120720l34d26c5s7d66ee00fb111938@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:20:18 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: danial_thom@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20051224153412.26322.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200512240719.51264.ringworm01@gmail.com> <20051224153412.26322.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: bobo1001@mailtest2.eng.ufl.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Andy Sjostrom Subject: Re: BSD Question's. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:20 -0000 On 12/24/05, Danial Thom wrote: > > Why not just tell the truth, which is that > Windows XP is the best that you can do for the > desktop, and that there is no perfect solution > that works perfectly in every scenario? FreeBSD > and Linux *should* focus on server functions, > because that is where MS is weak and that is > where its needed. There will likely never be a > solid reason to use BSD or linux as a desktop > other than religion; while there are many > compelling reasons to use BSD and/or linux > servers. > I've been using FreeBSD on my desktop since 1997 because I found it to be superior to either Windows or Linux. In 1997 it was easier to install than either (well, configuring X was still a trick back then, but the basic OS install was easier). Now they are all pretty much the same, any of them can give you problems on a specific system. =20 The important thing for a desktop system is the user interface (the GUI), and in FreeBSD (and many versions of Linux), you have many choices in that regard. I use KDE, in part because it is easy to use if you are used to Windows. Others prefer Gnome, apparently because it is as much unlike Windows as its designers can manage. And there are literally dozens of others, but most of them are probably not good choices for beginners (because they often require a lot of customization to take advantage of their individual features). At the present time I cringe every time I have to use Windows. My wife has an XP system at home that she uses for her job, so we are sort if stuck with it. All users must share the same default email program, so I'm stuck with Outlook. All users must share the same screen resolution, so I'm stuck with the low resolution that my wife prefers. The video drivers (I've tried both ATI and nVidia cards) are constantly locking up the system -- anyone who tries to tell me Windows XP is "stable" gets a big laugh from me. In dozens of little ways, the Windows user interface is junk. Yes, by sheer brute force they manage to keep it usable for most people, but when you've used alternatives, it's flaws are far more visible. KDE running on FreeBSD, on the other hand, lets each user pick their own preferences for basically everything. Certainly it has its own flaws, and yes, you could run KDE on Linux instead of FreeBSD and avoid a few quirks the combination exhibits, and perhaps a non-computer type should do so, but every time I read local Linux support list I marvel at how much trouble the Linux people have doing things that seem easy in FreeBSD, so I'm happy where I am. And this list provides excellent support for those who need help. The big disadvantage of FreeBSD (and Linux)? Fewer hardware drivers.=20 For example, I have a film scanner that I haven't figured out how to use in FreeBSD, so to use it I have to use Windows (with the aforementioned low screen resolution!). If you have specific hardware you need to use, be sure it is supported by the operating system you choose. One caution: Linux isn't an operating system. It is a family of operating systems. Some of them are oriented toward professional users, others are oriented toward ease of use by computer beginners, etc. If you decide to go with Linux, selecting the right one will be important. > When you try to be everything to everyone and you > don't have the resources of a MS, then you end up > with mediocre results. Decide what you want to > be, and be the best at it. That should be the > mantra of any product development team, > regardless of the genre. And Microsoft has proven that even with their resources, you still get mediocre results. For the most part, a good server operating system is also a good desktop operating system if you add a good user interface, so you can add KDE (or any of several other choices) to FreeBSD and get a good desktop system. On the other hand, a system designed to be a desktop operating system is unlikely to perform well as a server, hence Microsoft's lack of impressiveness in that regard. - Bob