From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Oct 2 09:28:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45470E3A9B1 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 09:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt.xtaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D0110AD for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 09:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt.xtaz@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id q124so9320869wmb.0 for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:28:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=T9XBWfu2TX7xZKu1jCbR91ooCn16aMnFzXVtsPcNWTE=; b=NhQysJgML1o2kX+NLPnbCKxciw/TB9dxGVdj/mELtJfWid4u7pIhcEmgbSvJcllFho KWgoM1EN+FH6bMoxbyMirDtOR9kI4AND5bu92QWtrSEj+xQfYlShGIB0UbKAEtwZ1JW5 DMSlR+69UsiERuBrvzSdpt5zCOPGx0N24Na8xMhFPpzv3LSkLlDx4ZTlXkEvEgUFdY8S xNDHkAIvo6inqTiFXgLxubTmr2h9YzaNrO6LJAYMGMBUobskgYKyC6dJFpdLuvwANSpF P5xiMDCHUufgPFZNH6MInbq6AR06DjZoIbGdy1OXm+CFm0rQQ5MvK0rk6oWTFACNjOfA okPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=T9XBWfu2TX7xZKu1jCbR91ooCn16aMnFzXVtsPcNWTE=; b=lKcuzoYjY5wt2katThNc6dZIENjriteKVAE7kpOEJ42hYhT4WWsk4a0UeiIBFAkEfa 2ao0meW8VeFSJ33BoHMfEJd2BMio9mw/hMDNdol14mxC39Nss3O89t8r89YfLLqp0pX1 0mpu+754D3O8FrfLWJ0W7UDmp4uH+3yH2xZxlmBh7bk11imLAXuVJMTSyXNlluCdSHqK dKry8kQPip62kT4kdeLixoaz9UcK8m6sNLRJVJ7vwRDQT1x/bwi/HX18M2zVglmvXcjG qQf2wqO9L7GxXfYEwXVK/PG10dujjavY25u6SN+XZmbddogz7iOghhK2RnM9tjBkNpqi qnIg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUj1A9WzE0bvZRJ/Uy3Wz9rVuX0EkWLwmC5QHZz1Fu/rzOCQcEgt PvpTTF332jRfC8rbSWUfbicc48eu X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAimLPiRn58pAGWnkQTIN++dQMMMxzHA2OphU1XhfllMS1IDsCnt03dqViNsg2GWXOGXXeBfg== X-Received: by 10.80.136.165 with SMTP id d34mr19307324edd.296.1506936532253; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (tao.xtaz.uk. [2001:8b0:fe33::10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c25sm9452756edb.57.2017.10.02.02.28.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:28:49 +0100 From: Matt Smith To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Status of portupgrade and portmaster? Message-ID: <20171002092849.GA48518@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Smith , FreeBSD References: <20170929183448.GA175@gmail.com> <77334fc4-b64e-45ed-a443-4076e47acee3@BY2NAM03FT029.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com> <01cc2d44-ba19-1618-a31a-760218545e12@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 09:28:56 -0000 On Oct 02 09:07, Carmel NY wrote: >On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 23:49:14 +0100, Matthew Seaman stated: > >>On 01/10/2017 11:34, Carmel NY wrote: >>> 1. Does it determine out-of-date update packages automatically or does >>> the user have to determine that what is out-of-date and feed them to >>> poudriere manually and in the proper order? >> >>Automatic. >> >>> 2. From what I have read, the user is required to install each package >>> manually. Is that correct? >> >>Poudriere builds a repository. You then have to type 'pkg upgrade' or >>'pkg install foo' to update your live system. Most people do not find >>this particularly taxing. > >From the "pkg-descr" file: > >poudriere is a tool primarily designed to test package production on >FreeBSD. However, most people will find it useful to bulk build ports >for FreeBSD. > >While it will undoubtedly work, it is still more complex than the average >desktop user requirers. Synth fits the bill nicely by being, for the most >part, easy to understand and run. I am already on my forth "ports maintenance" >program having used portmanager, portmaster, portupgrade and now synth. At >this point, I would almost rather switch to a new OS before abandoning synth >for something that IMHO is just overkill for the average user. > >Just my 2¢. > Of course if you did move to a different OS then the chances are you would be using a binary package repository and not compiling any software from source. So you wouldn't have any choice over the options that these packages were built with. If you are happy enough to do this then you may as well just abandon building ports on FreeBSD anyway and just use the pkg tool from the official FreeBSD repository. This is the easiest option surely. For what it's worth I've used both synth and poudriere and whilst poudriere is slightly heavier to use because of the requirement to create a build jail first, once that step has been done it's pretty much identical to using synth really. My workflow is simply this: poudriere ports -u (update the ports tree) poudriere bulk -j 11 -f pkglist (check for any updates and build any packages listed in the pkglist file) pkg upgrade (upgrade any upgraded packages) That's it. The same workflow on synth is: svn up /usr/ports synth build pkglist pkg upgrade Pretty similar if you ask me. OK you could use synth upgrade-system and do it in one command rather than two but then you're building everything on the host system and not a specific list. Also I like the extra pkg stage, it gives me a chance to see what pkg is about to do and abort it if it wants to do something insane. -- Matt