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Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:00:31 +0700 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: cyric@mm.st In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mm.st,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mm.st:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.153:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[mm.st]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[mm.st]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mm.st:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:AU]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsDRC0Ry7z3JJj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 02:28 vermaden > wrote: > > Hi, > > after short discussion here: > - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 freebsd/pkg/issues/2485> > > I got REALLY concerned. > > One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is > the 'untouchable' Base System. > > Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. > > But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system > without touching the FreeBSD Base System. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves > only two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not > protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. > Where is the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system > without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same > *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base > System? > > Its crazy ... > > Regards, > vermaden > > > yup :-( Too much drama here, quoting emaste: "Anyhow we do need to give more consideration to the base system / 3rd party packages, including for the upgrade path."