From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 19 11:40: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA4B14F47 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05918; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jordan the Confused (Was: Jordan The Evil!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:58:11 CDT." <199904191711.MAA26036@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <5916.924547046@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Evangelism begins at home. As I've told the readers if this list many times, if you want to see FreeBSD get more ink, WRITE SOMETHING. Publishers don't just make this stuff up on their own, people write articles and they publish them. Brett got a lot of support from us when he wrote for magazines like Smart Reseller - I even sent him a bit of glowing praise of my own for it, making a lie of the statement that he's never gotten any positive feedback from us for his actions. What gotten people riled up were some of his _less_ popular ideas, none of which involved writing for magazines or doing other more obvious, tangible advocacy, and Brett's refusal to understand that not all of his ideas are entirely good (or that one should back off/rethink in the face of opposition, not simply get progressively louder and more strident) are what got us into this mess with him. I've also pointed out the lack of books and magazine articles about FreeBSD many many times in this list and it's usually like shouting into a well. I clearly can't be a one-man writing machine and even if I were, I'd only manage to cover a small fraction of the available venues by myself. If this is to change, people like yourselves need to (and pardon my french) get up off your asses and DO something, not just complain in -advocacy or -chat that nobody is doing anything. That's clearly unproductive and is also like preaching to the choir. We know that already, what we're wondering now is who's going to write the articles and CHANGE this! And sorry for the caps, but you wouldn't believe how often I have to point this very obvious fact and how seldomly people are actually willing to do something about it. All the complaints in the world to these lists won't change FreeBSD's position one iota. Only getting out there and joining the volunteers at install-a-thons (see www.bafug.org for one such example in action), writing articles and submitting them for publication or visiting trade shows and evangelising on FreeBSD's behalf will make a real difference. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message