From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 21 01:35:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4776808 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EB4327E0 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julian-mbp3.pixel8networks.com (50-196-156-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.156.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAL1Yuoo006864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <528D633B.6040104@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:34:51 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Hartland , Matthew Ahrens , Marcus Reid Subject: Re: Defaults in 10.0 ZFS through bsdinstall References: <20131114173423.GA21761@blazingdot.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-fs X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:35:05 -0000 On 11/20/13, 3:35 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Ahrens" > >>> I noticed a couple of things with the ZFS defaults that result from >>> using the new installer in 10.0-BETA3. >>> >>> One, atime is turned off everywhere by default. There was a >>> thread on >>> this list on June 8 with a subject of 'Changing the default for ZFS >>> atime to off?', and from what I can tell the idea of turning off >>> atime >>> by default was not a popular one. >>> >>> >> It would be a pity if people compared ZFS on FreeBSD vs UFS on FreeBSD >> (using the installer's defaults) and came to the conclusion that "Mail >> programs don't work on ZFS on FreeBSD, use UFS instead." I think >> it's well >> known that there are performance differences between ZFS and UFS, >> depending >> on your workload. If you choose defaults that cause there to be >> correctness differences, that could be detrimental. > > It would also be a pitty if users came to conclusion not to use ZFS > because > it wears their SSD's out much quicker than UFS does or performs much > worse. > > Having a sensible default that's correctly messaged is something to > be commended not discouraged because its not the tradition and for > those that don't bother reading they may have issues as that could > be said for any option. > > Its also not something that can't be changed in seconds either, so the > suggestion of /var with it enabled so default mail installs work > as normal and for those that choose to install mail folders else > where they need to read and learn, instead of peanalising every single > user gets my vote. I think the installer should make a point of asking the user what they need.. then they cannot complain if they chose something they don't want. > > Regards > Steve > > ================================================ > This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. > and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of > misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, > printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained > in it. > In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission > please telephone +44 845 868 1337 > or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >