From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 04:44:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BBF16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D29343D69 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:44:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: from imp1-q.free.fr (imp1-q.free.fr [212.27.42.1]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235DA173490; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:44:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp1-q.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id 02A571D98D; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:44:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from proxy.imsc.res.in (proxy.imsc.res.in [203.199.209.81]) by imp1-q.free.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:44:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1101876277.41ad4c35e3deb@imp1-q.free.fr> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:44:37 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brad Knowles References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <1101748454.41ab58e61eb88@imp2-q.free.fr> <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr> <20041130002603.692153b7.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20041130145130.0aa893f1.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20041130230214.GA39964@xor.obsecurity.org> <20041130162403.567a4e39.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 203.199.209.81 cc: Chris Pressey cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:44:40 -0000 Brad Knowles wrote: > You see more crime in New York City than you do in Norman > Oklahoma. Most of that is due to the fact that NYC proper has > something like eight million people living there, while the > population of Norman is just under 100,000, when all the University > students are in town and attending classes. Bad example. You see less crime in New York City, post-1990 anyway, than in many smaller cities like Baltimore and Chicago. And even in NYC you see more crime in the low-density suburbs and less in high-density Manhattan. Kris and others: let's leave Dragonfly out of it. Nobody mentioned Dragonfly, except me in my first posting, and that was only to say that the boot menu lives on. Nobody's advocating Dragonfly to end-users and certainly not to production environments yet. The concerns about FreeBSD started to grow well before Dragonfly. The specific concern I raised was that nobody who matters cares about user-friendliness. This thread seems to confirm that. I suspect that all those who used to care about it now work for Apple... Rahul