From nobody Mon Nov 7 22:28:01 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N5m8W1H5Lz4gYsH for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 22:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4N5m8V1BJ8z4N7b for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 22:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1667860090; x=1670452090; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=evJOINv/S5tgY9lQleOo6gnnSpBkeP4LUkPs0qMEjNY=; b=O4XjeoDwAb08AjzXk/T2Wa8HnmI/OSdz6vMw5WDrg6WYyj/ZOcMdRiePEGuBgUyude9z0YqSHqxvQrJdCSSKBhI8tkMkl/TnKpGw7SQwioj5D6e3mNBwlgkGumj8XlOigcV3leCFw9h/tL3T9jf1Qgbh8nbhbtCGaboBclr+8KA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRmNjAwMDEwZDM2MjEucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:28:03 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:28:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1osAb3-0009kL-5u; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 22:28:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 22:28:01 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: grarpamp Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Posting Style Message-Id: <20221107222801.b6ee96fc0f5c55dae7332728@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20221106222404.ew2xhposne7aesvw@freebsd> <20221107131823.67c957cadb4bd11a4d00ba03@sohara.org> <20221107140413.4812551865f473cfc4a993d5@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N5m8V1BJ8z4N7b X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=O4XjeoDw; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f600010d3621.0b4e9b44ae52ac5dc27917d09ccfeba4@email-od.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.189.3:received]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:06:19 -0500 grarpamp wrote: > No, that's complete utter nonsense because now poor Fiona > is also forced by others into wasting her brain cycles trying to > read reverse hodgepodge from bottom to top, gearshifting reading > direction with every included snippet (which are in top-down form), There are no included snippets only complete messages, and Fiona has to do this *once* to catch up with the thread after that she just reads the top like everyone else. The only alternative that gives Fiona full context is to put the new material at the bottom with *no* trimming at all which is fine the first time you see the thread but a real PITA afterwards and especially when the conversation runs for a while without adding new people (as real ones tend to unlike my example) because *everyone* has to scroll to the bottom and then work up to the start of the reply for *every* message. The full context *has* to be in every message because it has nowhere else to be and putting the new material at the top minimises the total effort. When the context is visible to all interleaved posting and maximal trimming is the best approach otherwise top posting and full quoting is generally used because it works best. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith