From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 12:21:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A1B16A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:21:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andy@athame.co.uk) Received: from hex.athame.co.uk (guru164.netsonic.fi [194.29.193.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2307A43D48 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:21:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andy@athame.co.uk) Received: from ping.int.athame.co.uk ([192.168.1.8]) by hex.athame.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1Dc0JO-000Pw4-QK; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:21:06 +0300 From: Andy Fawcett To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:21:40 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <3248.172.16.0.199.1116876092.squirrel@172.16.0.1> <4297316B.3060801@samsco.org> <42978172.6060200@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <42978172.6060200@incubus.de> X-Face: ?fLK282oT!Ss!(krp%ft%TWfrkz*Mxz<2hwkRBzd); #D/=!=XjYKFBh1wVeov4K&<=?utf-8?q?Z6bi=5F=0A=09=7BBvAjk1diod2?=,DQo`Xz<\$~fX7B>U`u0HC\Gc+B9Hxu"bjBc16tg~i4.,2A1>=?utf-8?q?=7BrcRK=5Fi!i=0A=097e79f=7CT=3B9=23gfr=3DG1u=27xS=3D?=(}_NSP,Gs>HDq Cc: Mike Jakubik , Matthias Buelow Subject: Re: Lifetime of FreeBSD branches X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:21:11 -0000 On Friday 27 May 2005 23:22, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Scott Long wrote: > > Yeah, and what I'm trying to do is smooth the bumps for the long > > term. The 4.x->5.x transition was simply a gigantic mess for users, > > and it was largely a function of it being 4+ years in the making. > > It still _is_ a gigantic mess. My hosted 5.3-stable server > just crapped itself for the second time this year, for no apparent > reason. I suggest reestablishing 4.x as the "production" tree and > continuing to maintain it for a while, including making releases, and > regressing 5.x to what it is and probably will be for quite a while: > "experimental". And to counter your rant, I've been using 5.x since 5.0-DP1 on a range of hardware (mostly i386 in quite different setups, and more recently amd64 too) with virtually no problems. On the other hand, 4.x (I think it was 4.9, but I really cannot remember for sure) crapped all over one box so hard I refuse to ever use it again. A. -- Andy Fawcett | andy@athame.co.uk | tap@kde.org "In an open world without walls and fences, | tap@lspace.org we wouldn't need Windows and Gates." -- anon | tap@fruitsalad.org