From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:58:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D121065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497658FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEAwMnq048788; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEAwMfh048785; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081214115531.L48768@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:31 -0000 >> are thousands of hardware bugs. >> >> with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of >> their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. > > Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going most "high end" popular products are just buggy. as long as most people buy them just to be "better" than friend that bought older model half year ago - they will keep producing this shit. Really well hardware can be made, but not with half year production cycle. at least 3 years. > What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the > same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm > aware of- maybe you need check more :) > put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble > with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. as most people liked ;)