From nobody Tue Nov 8 00:19:16 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N5pck6wR0z4gpc7 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2022 00:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4N5pck1T0Rz3HvK for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2022 00:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id n68so12061556vsc.3 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 16:19:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=H8EOeySPz8orc+5slRf2lnwRCEM7vvafFk6TNbTJgJ8=; b=nhy7cSezYMuRtExzzdwxeXIeVv2kpyRa8ORE+UP4GNZJEM/hZheGxX+7AA+pRZzD7m aX57k62uMuDllrWqCMhLfyDGG2HQw9cYgv+CwoH9X/Wm37RtBvikYLoiv4SQ4HvW+0Lf jcn6XjZYwhiYZebHaQ+zlcz5GS/mLgqX0wVVBtvRsOINOFepxE0XBDhtXv5gHppft1r8 EjGTjKCVWJ1o0c6LwADhqZo8NFaus2m6vS1XFelbNIdL6XbZk5DK3YvfZVvfLlDayngc k+LhAcrdB0R5ceeFn3VOCo6tZBwhldqW/bkP0Z+KwhR54q6counyLahOJiNQaocP6Vh4 qDQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=H8EOeySPz8orc+5slRf2lnwRCEM7vvafFk6TNbTJgJ8=; b=oYrWpvq8Fo9CPotFX+G4vxDfmPiYCUi1XPBZJ3n0poLFv3F3vhws0p2anIYgrM8RZV LrjaSHiOAS8Hj0ILMuoBzu17L83zN1Cqc96kkza7N381NtHLsfV5JkuTvzuDC5iX2qSC KHg9k7bvoZP4cPjNaxR90H8OQEYxCTs0NYjK/PIUvouBvlPGx9aH8vckmfiSXdrUE1/R W03+moQm2oVDcxV95DLwgn1TDmAZibgw0c997Cvo9VpA6mKO1eDi8manRoXvfZOZiWRd nRINQD0bWSlD2Fl/QXJn3eW2jaOeFg4ybHvYF5fIhXNROT3qMKe82DjuZAIznY9SlxEG dyZw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf10MlGmrTD5nhuK0SiVF7GutvpCpCoooVJF4OTNb+Ehm0yYL27g cktNhIxZciDWJKPQul062ZlHZtNm+Kl13jZMyPhPp1oYxdvNODN2+Hc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5X56L9pPT2VU4e6Pclu/mkxbMwHxC+jE3nZa6PqO+3C1cJ4tJozm8nSCdfXYZzE9OREQXJ8Tda+vOcEW9JtzQ= X-Received: by 2002:a67:b74a:0:b0:399:4161:9f94 with SMTP id l10-20020a67b74a000000b0039941619f94mr27207958vsh.1.1667866757058; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 16:19:17 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a59:5d11:0:b0:324:d963:1eff with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20221107222801.b6ee96fc0f5c55dae7332728@sohara.org> References: <20221106222404.ew2xhposne7aesvw@freebsd> <20221107131823.67c957cadb4bd11a4d00ba03@sohara.org> <20221107140413.4812551865f473cfc4a993d5@sohara.org> <20221107222801.b6ee96fc0f5c55dae7332728@sohara.org> From: grarpamp Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:19:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Posting Style To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N5pck1T0Rz3HvK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nhy7cSez; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grarpamp@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grarpamp@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > Fiona OP asked about public opensource mailing lists where subs have already seen the prior mail flow, and with readily importable, link browseable, searchable archives, for those who didn't. Not about [private] corpo convos which, whatever their random policies are, obviously get wrecked by perpetuators there too :) > There are no included snippets only complete messages Which even then still do not read linearly in space or time over the page, the readers eyeballs and brain must jump and locate in reverse at every inlined "complete message" or snippet break, reassemble, maintain extra backbuffers and watchpoints for, etc. It's unnatural and abusive. More abusive than "omg, scrolling [1]"?... well, that's all moot here because this isn't a "corporate environment"... but perhaps yes ;) [1] Text of which some newfangled MUA's now auto-collapse into clickey-expandable blobs... often a horror perpetuating feature in itself via hiding the evidence as ok, instead of exposing it for correction.