From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 13 20:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA11464 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus (pm3-p17.tfs.net [206.154.183.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11459 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA07958; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:13:32 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199704140313.WAA07958@argus> Subject: Re: Commercial vendors registry To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: jbryant@tfs.net In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970413214851.00b3b9e0@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Apr 13, 97 09:48:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply: > At 06:27 PM 4/13/97 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > >> > >> The problem with funding fundamentals like networking is that some > banana with > >> a different philosophy is likely to either undo your changes or make other > >> changes > >> that compromise it. You'd have to maintain it yourself to make it > worthwhile. > >> > >That is where the core team management comes in. A coherent core team > >allows for review and the backing out of bogus changes. > > *coherent* is one thing....having a focus is another (theres that word > again!). Since > there is no clear goal, the future is a fog, which makes Freebsd > undesirable in > the long run for major endeavors. > > db [retreiveing two cents from pocket and tossing it into the hat] This is exactly the kind of bs discussion that has kept US from going out and getting commercial support for FreeBSD... Case in point... Lin[s]ux... Ten-Twenty different versions, bad networking, even worse VM... Vendors love it!! Why? Hmmmm... Maybe it's because people have gone out and and said to h*ll with all this bs counting the number of angels one can paint on the head of a pin [read that as philosophical bs discussions] and wrote books for Lin[s]ux, made it available at the local store on CD-ROM, plastered the magazines for it, invented magazines for it, and got the attention of the vendors enough that they develop for it... I have ran FreeBSD since 1.1.5.1, and still say it is the best available on PC's... Yes it is work in progress... The only program/operating system that is not work in progress is the one that just got degaussed... I sure as h*ll don't hear no fat lady singing the demise of FreeBSD... Who here has seen "The Life of Brian"? This topic sounds like a meeting of the People's Front of Judea [officials]! But you keep talking like this, you may as well be the the Crack Suicide Squad of the Judean People's Front!!! The point is, get up off your @sses and get commercial support, stop talking about it! Do you think Bill Gates got where he is today by debating for three years on whether or not to take action? Or for that matter, the same for the lamers using Lin[s]ux!!!! [dismounting soapbox] *note: If you have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention the People's Front of Judea, or the Judean People's Front, then get up off your butt and rent "The Life of Brian"!!! Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@tfs.net - KC5VDJ 2-meter, 70cm - KPC-3 Plus packet capable