From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 2 22:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27948 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27943 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id AAA07278; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 01:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <11030.907385473@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Someone has been hired as a new VP of marketing to do exactly that, > and he's already done a substantial U.S. tour of distributors to hawk > our wares. I'd say this is a situation which can only improve. First let me apologize for the crack about 3rd VP at WC. Which was neither funny nor helpfull. Considering the last few posts about WC not doing enough. It shouldnt have been said. Everyone take a deep breath. I was going to try and say something to aleviate the usual long thread of "ADVOCACY" but I wont cause its all been said many times before. Jordan and greg and mike and david, etc.., etc.. do more for FreeBSD itself than ANY of us are or probably ever will. IMO anyway. They dont get paid to walk around bookstores and pimp FreeBSD. They get paid to work ON FreeBSD. And they do a damn good job or we wouldnt be discussing how to sell it more and harder. As far as WC is concerned, if they want to go above and beyond the call of duty (which includes selling, advertising by catalog, and HOSTING! FreeBSD) by becoming a MS sales machine for FreeBSD. BONUS! If they are happy and are already doing their best job and can't do more BONUS! Damn people they employee jordan and others, and pay CRL's bill for freebsd.org. And they are not even a FreeBSD company. They sell other stuff as well! Just how much blood do you want from these people? Brett's point of more publicity by WC is IMO just nutz. I have always believed that *IF* you as a person wanted to make the most impact for FreeBSD then jordan is correct. WRITE WRITE WRITE!!! Books, papers, FAQ's, HOW-TO's, HTML, articles for BSD News which is HOPEFULLY going to start to illicit a strong and solid front for the BSD's for once! Hey I'm just as lazy as the next guy when it comes to doing any written articles and the like for FreeBSD. If not more so. But I do live, sleep, eat and breathe FreeBSD for work. I just finished today pushing my 25th 2.2.6 CD donated by WC to a client. It wasn't easy converting 25 shops to use FreeBSD as a main line server in some capacity, but I did it. But if you want FreeBSD to get noticed you HAVE to give people something *TO* notice! They wont read about FreeBSD because no one is writing anything about it. BSD News may change that slightly but your going to need cnet articles published, and wired articles and tech web articles. The pen is truly mightier than the sword in this case. I plan on submitting a LONG article for BSD news. As soon as I can find something not to dumb to write about, or someone to interview like *USWEST* ahem US WEST anyone want to be interviewed? :) Linux has more dox online than my mom has cookbooks. So the simple fact is people are just going to have to write FreeBSD dox and stop asking WC to perform miracles. It just ISNT going to happen. WRITE till your hand falls of people or we are not going to get anywhere fast. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message