From owner-freebsd-toolchain@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 25 20:54:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61199AC2 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9B38D3 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm26.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2013 20:54:34 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.42] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2013 20:54:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2013 20:54:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 164219.74651.bm@smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WdbY3tcVM1lCLlvgA0yd7ONpom_4RGBrlp1dnxlaNdM74s5 eZevlG6ua2aaP832eN0iiTsYc1J8dX2pkwgj2LPLWDj1mu6TDcvgqiqTn8rV 0P_XG04xbDV9QkszxQBddgbCGDWkjZtFQxhQIzxD7LleNAkaIxxV1dbWLGYi T8E_oIGtwgl17qTd09yVuJderatQkXtCz01nARUYuDSDaSuWFjCxBIN9OWoE asRGo46yQfQRk789fZhiHIxvx04.zrEjtdGX.3UJ.sZihzDzwHSG6CaAXLLE q3oAWKoSPMVQNNZrmZVRbAnuU4ZjUk7iLd8iJssRBip9UoseyNLmOIMdRiux 6P6sAqqavZpZZvmx3BjkvCE5h8qFGc5mHG1gCjL3fVhvmy3_R_UPO7sn13Wy JUDAUCZFAnjTlAmypfssMPfbZLe8WNt3y_CcNoKm0_Rh8YKZ4CnbFXQ32IQd 9Mdjj6WrqKw8W3Bg3faU9i5nXj93M8w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: xcjD0guswBAZaPPIbxpWwLcp9Unf Received: from [192.168.10.102] (pfg@200.118.157.7 with plain) by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2013 12:54:34 -0800 PST Message-ID: <5102F107.8090501@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:54:31 -0500 From: Pedro Giffuni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konstantin Belousov Subject: Re: Removing default build of gcc References: <74D8E686-3679-46F2-8A08-4CF5DFC020CA@FreeBSD.org> <20130125113122.GN2522@kib.kiev.ua> <20130125195941.GW2522@kib.kiev.ua> <5102ECBF.4060500@FreeBSD.org> <20130125204430.GX2522@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <20130125204430.GX2522@kib.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintenance of FreeBSD's integrated toolchain List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:54:40 -0000 On 01/25/2013 15:44, Konstantin Belousov wrote: ... >>> I am really tired of the constant struggle against the consumation of >>> the FreeBSD as the test-bed for the pre-alpha quality software. E.g., >>> are we fine with broken C++ runtime in 9 ? >> The libstdc++ issue is really REALLY worrying. >> I would prefer if the hack to attempt using libstdc++ as a filter >> library were reverted altogether in 9.x. >> >> I had a lots of stress with that issue as some people pointed at >> my libstdc++ updates as possible root cause. I felt some natural >> relief when the real cause was found but I certainly wonder why >> the change was made in 9.x though since it's clear that codebase >> will not be migrated to libc++. > You were finger-pointed due to the rule 'blame the last committer > from the VCS log'. Even less so, you were asked about it because > you probably knew most about possible cause. Oh, I was finger-pointed quite long ago, but I didn't find the issue until you also fingerpointed so retroactively fingerpointing was clearly the right thing to do. It was nevertheless stressful as this is a pretty critical issue. C++ is (partially) broken in a stable release! > I am not worried about the bug itself, which needs a proper > identification and fixing. I am indeed wery disappointed regarding the > attitude of the person who introduced the bug. Reverting the split may > be the best action in my opinion. Both in head and stable. I am aware a fix is being worked on. I think that as long as the default compiler/C++ library works it is OK to make things easier for other compilers. I am OK with having that change in -current but for 9.x it is simply unacceptable. Pedro.