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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ocp.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[67.231.154.164:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[67.231.154.164:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:39:05 -0000 I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install and I don= 't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. - d ________________________________ From: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org on beha= lf of Alfredo Dal?Ava J?nior Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:17 AM To: Cameron Berkenpas Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Remember upgrading a powerpc64 from 12.x to 13.x requires a full reinstall due to ABI change during switch from gcc to llvm that makes it binary-incompatible with older releases (13.0 uses modern OpenPower ELF V2 ABI). 13 is definitively better with a modern compiler and many improvements on kernel, memory management, more drivers ported, including virtio that you can use with KVM or QEMU to improve network and disk throughput. []'s Alfredo On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Cameron Berkenpas via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade > to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but > maybe this data point is still useful. > > I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per > host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than > the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on > POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. > > On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc= * > > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > > 14-CURRENT. > > > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > > > How many people will these changes effect? 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