From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 00:07:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BDC16A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from volker@vwsoft.com) Received: from frontmail.ipactive.de (frontmail.ipactive.de [85.214.39.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2658F43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:07:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from volker@vwsoft.com) Received: from mail.vtec.ipme.de (gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de [212.23.126.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by frontmail.ipactive.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C9333D21 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:06:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cesar.sz.vwsoft.com [192.168.16.3]) by mail.vtec.ipme.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A70B2E546; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4504A89A.5070400@vwsoft.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:06:50 +0200 From: Volker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volker , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20060910035614.282CD16A58D@hub.freebsd.org> <45049112.3@vwsoft.com> <20060910233325.GA3845@holestein.holy.cow> In-Reply-To: <20060910233325.GA3845@holestein.holy.cow> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-VWSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: volker@vwsoft.com X-ipactive-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ipactive-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ipactive-MailScanner-From: volker@vwsoft.com Cc: Subject: Re: Bug-free software (Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:07:04 -0000 On 2006-09-11 01:33, 'Anubhav A.' wrote: > in message <45049112.3@vwsoft.com>, wrote Volker thusly... >> we're talking about software. Have you ever seen a piece of software which has >> been really bug-free? Not the hello-world, I'm talking > > Recently i read about which is more than "hello-world" ... > > They Write the Right Stuff > http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html > > > ... but you did ask. > > > - Parv > Interesting article but I really do not believe even the shuttle software is 100% bug free. Just because there has been only one bug found in the last version, does not mean it's really guaranteed to be bug free. It's just: No one experienced one and no one discovered one more. On the other side they do not implement much new features every day and they do not have to care about hardware and market changes every other day. I suspect a lot of trouble even for NASA's mission does come from software bugs and who knows how many lifes can be accounted for software bugs. Remembering the first launch of a Ariane-5 rocket? It has been self destroyed because of nothing but a software bug. Or what about the first NAVY combat ship w/ steering controlled by Windows NT? Out of control by a blue screen... A developer can't always foresee the environment where his code will later work in and that is even causing trouble. And again, errors and mistakes are human. And those who shout out "why didn't you test enough" should ask themself, how much have THEY contributed to the community? The hackers are contributing enough (my view) and are really doing a good job. I do not care about HOW MANY bugs a beta quality piece of software does contain but what IMHO matters is the timeframe to FIX them and the FreeBSD project and other OS communities are good in that. Greetings, Volker