From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Jan 31 7:51: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF9237B65D for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14NzWp-000O0H-00; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:50:39 +0000 To: "Jeremiah Gowdy" , "Alexei Betin" , From: Cliff Sarginson Subject: Re: the way freebsd to be patched is sick Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:50:39 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@btvs.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 192.250.25.251 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hello, > > > > > I'm sorry you don't like the way that the Open > > > Source community does things. I would suggest that > > > if you don't care to get source patches that you pay > > > the $1000 per year per server to BSDi to put your > > > servers under a FreeBSD service contract. I'm quite > > > sure that if you do this that BSDi will be more than > > > happy to supply you with all the binary patches that > > > you want. > > > > no point. there is at least enother one well known open > > source os that provides binary patches. And from whom would you like these binary patches ? The same people who have spent millions of hours developing a system that is then given to you, for nothing ? Nobody here owes you anything. Contrariwise, here you will get given a lot, a lot of help support, information, occasional insults, and that costs you zip ! You want a binary patch utility ? Write one and contribute it to the project. This is about co-operation and good will. Not obligation and demands. Every time someone gives me advice here I am grateful. And makes me happy to give advice back when I can. That is how it works. I suggest you look at in that spirit. Compiling a kernel will not kill you. You can always read a book while it is going on :) Cliff > > > > What's the point of having an OpenSource operating system that has binary > patches ? That kinda defeats the whole OpenSource concept. If I were to > change any of the source code in my kernel, or the rest of the operating > system, that would break the patches. If you want binary patches, why do > you want OpenSource ? > > > whoes that crazy idea to patch os by recompiling it? > > Welcome to Open Source. > > > for many reasons I don't want to have compiler and source tree installed > on my servers. > > Such as ? > > You don't want a compiler in your Open Source operating system ? I think > you're a little lost. > > > I don't want to wait while it's being recompiled for several hours just > for purpose of new `bind` to be installed. > > Several hours ? You're kidding right ? First, my make worlds don't take > "several hours", they take two hours tops on my slowest servers. If it > takes several hours, perhaps you don't have recent hardware. If that's the > case, how can you blame the OS for your hardware ? Besides, you shouldn't > have to recompile the entire OS just because of bind. You can recompile > bind from ports I believe, or you can just cvsup your source tree, go into > /usr/src/contrib/bind and just recompile the bind code. > > > I don't want to hold my breath seing how freshly compiled os restarts on a > production system... > > (a) Welcome to Open Source > (b) I've never had any problems with recompiling the OS, if make world is > successful. How the hell do you think the "binary" version of the OS you > installed via ftp or cdrom was created ? By some magic supercompiler that > generates better code ? The FreeBSD team compiles the OS the same way you > do, and they create the "binaries" you desire so badly. How much easier can > it be ? "make world" I think you need to either understand the Open Source > OS concept a little better, or move to a different style of OS. Honestly, > from your statements I am assuming you simply aren't comfortable with > compiling your kernel, OS, etc. That being the case, the only reason I can > see that you would demand an Open Source operating system (that doesn't > include a compiler) is the price. Are you simply using FreeBSD for the Free > part ? If so, that's fine, but you have to accept that if you're going to > use a system like FreeBSD or even Linux, there's something of a learning > curve. You have to put a little work into the OS in order to experience the > benefits. If you don't like that, find yourself a free OS that's not open > source and maybe you'll be a little happier. If you don't like FreeBSD's > cvsup style patches, use BSDi, Solaris, or Windows 2000 Advanced Server. > They seem to be a little more your style (win2k=no compiler, all have binary > patches, you don't have to compile your OS for "hours", and you don't have > to hold your breath when you freshly compile your OS). > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message