From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 21 14:42:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7AF10656A7; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netrolller.3d@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B577C8FC69; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so195159fgb.12 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zvk07eGju7fGNp/ZglROz3OkkWHzJjCFksKJbz3kwcI=; b=guEBxxkuU0cGtSNNze47D+GkZgbid2cjJVlS8+xa0opSXtqcC0B/85I1S3umOQ12Yi XOrSqn5wMOQd5qDmqe23p/29I25Ul9jQvLYYm7oQzRrqwri7qN8z1XkcKbrsFP2uzurk ViVVudNXno35xSidPgM8aF0a+NbjKJHgg8pF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nhXh89Wfgv64dCqjHmEJSPjNE6D7/L4C3hSnAGLpcyZ5GveKQnQQ/+YkWUkTIwBiPb eSFHVH2ZxS9jnALVW3Tx23ZKVV2kOjL8kq1aSPNUQ8plMO7U/A5bbivXf4Zq/cmRTRqt GJzPJpdNuHLSPnWmOZYVUi5Sp608O1/FzhSek= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.231.20 with SMTP id d20mr917051fgh.52.1250865725898; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:42:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1250865255.4600.6.camel@johannes.local> References: <4A8EAFA6.9010608@gmail.com> <1250865255.4600.6.camel@johannes.local> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_Stefanik?= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:44 +0200 Message-ID: <69e28c910908210741wd3bc391x311523f5b55fd4f1@mail.gmail.com> To: Johannes Berg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:28:47 +0000 Cc: Richard Farina , Dave Young , Rafael Laufer , Sepherosa Ziehau , linux-wireless , misc-openbsd , Thomas d'Otreppe , freebsd-mobile , Mike Kershaw , Sam Leffler , tech-openbsd , netbsd-net , wireshark-dev , Damien Bergamini <"damien bergamini"@free.fr>, radiotap Subject: Re: Plans for an online meeting regarding Radiotap X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:42:09 -0000 2009/8/21 Johannes Berg : > On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:31 +0200, G=E1bor Stefanik wrote: > >> Hope to see you on Freenode at the set date. Again, if the time is a >> problem, respond, and I will try to find a better time. > > I don't think there's any need to have an IRC meeting. We've hashed out > the way forward multiple times on the radiotap list. What is missing now > isn't a consensus of how do things, but proposals and implementations. My intention with the meeting is to form an actual proposal that all implementors can agree on. We can produce proposals, and even new standardized fields to no avail, as some implementors (especially OpenBSD) appear to be stuck with implementations that collide with the standard. These implementors need to be "awakened" and entered into the discussions before anything can be done. > > Your own proposal had technical flaws (and in my opinion tried to do too > much at a time) that you haven't addressed -- doing that would be much > more productive than any such meeting. What technical flaws are you trying to point out exactly? (The TX flags field? My point is that it's worthless to "standardize" TX flags by extending it and moving to "Defined fields" if noone is willing to implement it.) > > johannes > --=20 Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-)