From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 04:47:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BF1106564A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B3D14DC12; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <504D70D6.50707@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:47:18 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120910065532.3f029c4b@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D2DCD.8030508@FreeBSD.org> <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D4C76.6080205@FreeBSD.org> <20120910094129.56fea061@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120910094129.56fea061@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:47:19 -0000 On 9/9/2012 7:41 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:12:06 -0700 > Doug Barton wrote: > >> You keep conveniently removing the parts of my posts where I point out >> that CVS is now, and will remain, available from ports for those >> users. And in the next few years there will be, as there already have >> been; numerous announcements about the value of moving to subversion, >> new mirrors, etc. >> > I also took out the part from others and myself where we said that > there are systems running without ports installed on them. What does that have to do with anything? If users choose not to take advantage of the entire operating _system_, we can't be responsible for their bad decisions. >>> The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS >>> mirros. >> >> This is quite simply untrue. >> > This is the point where the developers (I also was one) forget > psychology. Um, I have a degree in psychology. The psychology of this change is not "Users will believe that CVS repos have magically disappeared if they can't find a cvs binary in the base." The psychology of this is "Change is hard." We can't postpone reasonable changes made on a technical basis because some users have emotional issues about the fact that we have moved from CVS to SVN. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the truth. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)