Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:47:18 -0700 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <504D70D6.50707@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20120910094129.56fea061@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <CAF6rxgnZGjzm230sZXVXxmE7wPowF_BZqbwRjdvz8oV-03gS=A@mail.gmail.com> <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209091628400.13080@ai.fobar.qr> <20120910065532.3f029c4b@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D2DCD.8030508@FreeBSD.org> <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D4C76.6080205@FreeBSD.org> <20120910094129.56fea061@X220.ovitrap.com>
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On 9/9/2012 7:41 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:12:06 -0700
> Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> You keep conveniently removing the parts of my posts where I point out
>> that CVS is now, and will remain, available from ports for those
>> users. And in the next few years there will be, as there already have
>> been; numerous announcements about the value of moving to subversion,
>> new mirrors, etc.
>>
> I also took out the part from others and myself where we said that
> there are systems running without ports installed on them.
What does that have to do with anything? If users choose not to take
advantage of the entire operating _system_, we can't be responsible for
their bad decisions.
>>> The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS
>>> mirros.
>>
>> This is quite simply untrue.
>>
> This is the point where the developers (I also was one) forget
> psychology.
Um, I have a degree in psychology. The psychology of this change is not
"Users will believe that CVS repos have magically disappeared if they
can't find a cvs binary in the base." The psychology of this is "Change
is hard." We can't postpone reasonable changes made on a technical basis
because some users have emotional issues about the fact that we have
moved from CVS to SVN. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the truth.
Doug
--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what
I can do.
-- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)
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