From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Jun 13 13:03:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2C9AF02F7 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 048982092; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id CRWbbjD2DEWlrCRWcbYzUm; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:03:31 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=P7p4vWIu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=2tlZj6vhAAAA:8 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=uNMg6TZIAgDV1JenLQEA:9 a=WEsgSAvBC4mPTNgbeanh:22 a=pxhY87DP9d2VeQe4joPk:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19BFE13753; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u5DD3RGW091675; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201606131303.u5DD3RGW091675@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.6 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Jordan Hubbard cc: Cy Schubert , Pedro Giffuni , FreeBSD-arch list Subject: Re: Illumos/OpenSolaris SMF to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Sat, 11 Jun 2016 14:49:02 -0700." <5F7A1097-1B4F-4FA1-BC21-1648E9E5751A@mail.turbofuzz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:03:27 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEinqNEVEksecX0NeSceEbdadxjRG1kHNO95qK5QpP+go3/Xo3BxWI6+wIVIa6MfLeud0o4hqziW37jx8lM1qIsZKom7cujVNvff5/T5eZVGtLAUx6w7 nwYx85Q/kVwrcfS8jcCrVLjg9w5/L5LrCSHtXePII/6u3pXPlrema8PhOvR7cyFCZjq5p4z2k89w/Ukbpcq++amkoRq9roBEMFR1MdwXgPIZenHMfGfHmlig k3wMPBNn9bbxoycVbC4Tkg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:03:39 -0000 In message <5F7A1097-1B4F-4FA1-BC21-1648E9E5751A@mail.turbofuzz.com>, Jordan Hu bbard writes: > > > > On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > Having said all that, I don't think that Apple's launchd was meant for > > servers or the enterprise, not to mention they closed-sourced it. We > > probably have to write our own. > > Neither of those things are entirely true, however. > > 1. launchd is agnostic as to workload - there’s nothing particularly “consumer- > centric” about its actual design and it works perfectly well in OS X Server, t > hough of course terms like “Server” and “Enterprise” are also broad enough that y > ou can find both pro and con cases to support either argument so I don’t know > that it even makes sense to go there. > > 2. While it is true that the most recent versions of launchd (in Mavericks / > Yosemite) have not yet been released, you can start with earlier versions and > some might even argue that it makes more sense to do so, as launchd has beco > me somewhat more Apple-centric over time. We had no problems porting the ear > lier versions of it to NextBSD, however, and it’s running there just fine. It > also has an Apache license, just to circle back to the license question. > > There are other reasons that one may or may not wish to use launchd as a serv > ice management framework, and I’m certainly not going to resurrect the old arg > uments with Mark H. over that (been there, done that, no point in reprising t > hem), but neither of those two would make the top-ten list. I attended, via youtube live stream, Mark Heily's talk. Among others, raised the above issues. I too do not want to resurrect old arguments either. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.