From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 20:02:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B692816A41C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (dev.eagle.ca [209.167.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DA443D1F for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 59212 invoked by uid 1002); 22 Jun 2005 20:02:35 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamscan: 0.73. spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(209.167.16.15):. Processed in 1.418483 secs); 22 Jun 2005 20:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fuze) (209.167.16.15) by dev.eagle.ca with SMTP; 22 Jun 2005 20:02:33 -0000 From: "Steve Bertrand" To: "'Vulpes Velox'" Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 thread-index: AcV3SofT4T9D5heMR+yCJwJ3jmBbpgAGVpKg In-Reply-To: <20050622115154.25e1ffbe@vixen42.local.lan> X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <111947055467559206@pearl.ibctech.ca> Message-Id: <20050622200236.F1DA443D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Explaining FreeBSD features X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:37 -0000 > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:36:48 +0800 > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Vulpes Velox wrote: > > > > > Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial > ventures, > > > not community ones. They will just drag the community down with > > > their weight if they don't help out. > > > > > This would be the real tough one. > > > > There should also be a way to write some kind of descripton for the > > people between. > > > > > I found the handbook to be useful in this area. > > > > Yes, if you understand it. It is written be serious IT > professionals > > for serious IT professionals. Even a serious none IT > professional has > > problems understanding it. > > > > Our problem is that we all do not know the people who would > speak the > > language none IT professionals understand. > > > > The original writer sounds like being skilled enough to > have serious > > try on this one if he gets the information he needs for this. > > I also had too read up on various unix tutorials as well. I would personally assume that anyone who has ventured seriously into FreeBSD (I started with Linux for a week, then jumped right into FBSD and now run an entire ISP with it) has had their head into several books. My opinion is that most who run FBSD, run it because they like it, enjoy it and completely appreciate it's features, rock-solid reliability, and excellent documentation (IMHO) and help networks. Most who use it to this extent have no problem reading the books, as others have said because they want/need to learn whats under the hood. There have been times where I have been in a jam, and didn't RTFM before making a post, but on the other hand, there have been times where I have helped someone out on FBSD areas I had to research on my own time just so I could familiarize myself with it to help them. It's my belief that you must be serious to get a FBSD box running at full tilt, tuned right out, but you need not be an expert to get one up and running. There's no way I would use a butter knife to cut down a tree (use Windows for infrastructure), nor would I use a chainsaw to cut the butter (use a full scale FBSD server to browse the web). It's all in what you want and/or need. The docs are there. As it was pointed out, you need not be a developer, but this is meant to be a serious OS for serious people. If one wants to learn the ways of FreeBSD, in reality, the handbook, google and the lists are your friends. Most everyone I know who uses FBSD document their learning and experiences, and post it on websites for everyone to learn from (including myself). Sometimes it is clear cut and dry, and other times (especially with new, unprecedented procedures), you must piece-meal different peoples experiences into your own. My .02 Steve > > I feel the handbook could be made clearer in some areas, but > I believe it is good in general. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >