From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 23:21:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170BF16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1285543F85 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (orb_rules@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAK7MEqv054959; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:22:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAK7MEtL054958; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:22:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:22:14 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Tim Kientzle Message-ID: <20031120072214.GH49554@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <62981.24.0.61.35.1069202574.squirrel@mail.yazzy.org> <200311190103.hAJ13Nlg000923@dyson.jdyson.com> <20031119015433.GN30485@roark.gnf.org> <3FBC2053.6040208@mindspring.com> <20031120022009.GB29530@dan.emsphone.com> <3FBC29EF.3030009@mindspring.com> <3FBC50DB.3000002@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBC50DB.3000002@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! cc: richardcoleman@mindspring.com cc: masta@wifibsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: dyson@iquest.net cc: Dan Nelson cc: imp@bsdimp.com Subject: Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:21:28 -0000 --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Richard Coleman wrote: > >It seems /bin/sh is the real sticking point.=20 >=20 > There is a problem here: Unix systems have historically used > /bin/sh for two somewhat contradictory purposes: > * the system script interpreter > * as a user shell >=20 > The user shell must be dynamically linked in order > to support centralized administration. I personally > see no way around that. Given that many users do > rely on /bin/sh, it seems that /bin/sh must be > dynamically linked. >=20 > There are good reasons to want the system script > interpreter statically linked. >=20 > Maybe it's time to separate these two functions? > I would be content to have a static /sbin/sh > that is used as the system script interpreter for > rc scripts, etc. And /usr/bin/sh as a user shell? --Stijn --=20 "I'm not under the alkafluence of inkahol that some thinkle peep I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get." --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/vGumY3r/tLQmfWcRAtvfAJ90nry5K1mAlaWz6Yvj/+Gw2HosyACfVVbA ZG15mlSsgjLLwpjMlbOUn50= =gyDY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0--