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Date:      Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:09:27 -0800
From:      "Crist J. Clark" <cjclark@reflexnet.net>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        Doug Young <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au>, Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com>, Jason <kib@mediaone.net>, ldmservices@charter.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Will It Never End? (was Re: CA Power Shortage (was Re: Why do you support Yahoo!))
Message-ID:  <20001221140927.A2118@rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexco>

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OK, my last one on this. Seriously.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:31:23 -0700, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> wrote,
[snip]
> IMHO, a revote would have been the correct solution to the problem.
> An election is a data gathering process. As any scientist knows,
> it is not appropriate to draw conclusions from data gathered with
> so large a margin of error as to make the result inconclusive. (If you
> do, you'll be laughed out of any respectable scientific journal.) 
> Instead, you obtain a better measuring instrument (or change your
> procedure to reduce the margin of error) and measure again.

But any scientist also knows that there is and will always be some
margin of error in any measurement. Voting is a messy process and will
always have some inherent, irreducible error. So what _do_ you do when
the result falls within the noise, as it did in this case? I suppose
it is possible that if you had a re-vote, the signal might emerge from the
noise, but it is quite possible the outcome would still be well within
the error margin. Since you are not actually making the same
measurement in both cases (imagine how different the turnout would
be), you cannot use multiple measurements as a way to reduce the
error. I don't know of any really good answers. I guess there is
always the classic fallback the Electoral goes to if no one gets a
majority, toss it to the legislature.

Actually, hmmm, where did I see a little discussion of reducing the
error in voting... Oh, yeah, Bruce Schneier rebuttted some of those
saying more computerized or (*ack*) on-line voting is a cure-all for
this kind of thing in this month's Crypto-gram.

> I don't like either Bush or Gore, by the way.

Me neither. I guess I like Gore less, but since I excersised the
option to vote for neither of Gore or Bush, I really did not have to
sit down and decide which was the lesser of two evils. But it would
have been nice if Gore won so that we could have split Congress and
the Executive among the Dems and Reps as much as possible. Typically,
the less legislation they can agree on and pass in Washington, the
better.

> In any event, it is undeniable that if the rules were followed --
> that is, if the will of the people had mattered -- Gore would have won.

But those are _not_ the rules, and everyone knew that going into
this. The Electoral College silliness is the rule, and I don't think
there is anyway anyone can say conclusively that "Gore won" according
to those rules. I don't think you ever will be able to say who
"really" won because, as you mention, the result of the Florida vote
was within the error margin which means no one actually won the
Florida popular vote. The only way to settle such a vote (discounting
a re-vote which has no guarantee of having a better outcome and a lot
of othe thorny issues) is by an arbitrary interpretation of the
results. That's what we got. And those are the rules. G.W. Bush is the
President-Elect (as ironic as that title is), he really won.
-- 
Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu


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