From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 18 17:36:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39E6D81 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from mail-ve0-x229.google.com (mail-ve0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E84719AC for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id m1so3389264ves.28 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wemm.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=p9CsJCkhB39k0/NsH95GuXV3icsRQbqnJI76G8FmTKE=; b=XKAttF1LlkEFiArHf1q1EIcGU2x1z9fbFNyg06SdRwcAwRoaXCqxZ0Uww/7sGbtGbC tbXJot6Bs30pjX+rGNNnwBPHFtgoFUWLA4fZ/4pHFaUuQWMEZDdt3DibZMhL6AxzF8nG ibnLCRJpMoH818avPaAv6SMcm2iRx4ZzNZnzs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=p9CsJCkhB39k0/NsH95GuXV3icsRQbqnJI76G8FmTKE=; b=oUftjtIyk2DiNRMQy+Nl0L2zz2XQRK90Tia15SAPlSegrERVcVrzLLM0Kr/uhQeLOg xRPaSoYZ/CeHm053UQifTqhuCBUz2hyF024ZWnR0ImwbWJh1tiVqChPSETThsLSbN7L2 py2ctSFt6a4F9kgVkJx1eBReS5b1cbr8O2K7ker7UNqTxvZziLjw1+BDC81vuOP51tQX HqC6Fa1Fy87AQNZ440O6JjoTZ2/SenvzwceWGtrcPobNQ/2zlPmeBEZNWNXyqFpBkKGV 4RtB+ftSb4VWcSRJa35KixDUweEBFeAmk1qKI3+AocPTM8Wp0MZqajJF8BRuwdHKAqF8 oVMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.31.130 with SMTP id sg2mr5485209vcb.86.1371577011071; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.20.133 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:36:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51C08F58.2070308@freebsd.org> References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <51C08D7E.2000605@coosemans.org> <51C08F58.2070308@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... From: Peter Wemm To: Andre Oppermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnDBhuofKTZ93eB1wBcBRdMEr/SiZdB0swA9mbkHMl3tcYL2jKmnR1KToSoxEG7eh6aE7aC Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Tijl Coosemans , src-committers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:36:52 -0000 On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Andre Oppermann wrote: > AFAIK there is a checkout-only SVN client available, as in cvsup, but I > don't remember the name. svnup looks good on paper but has a fair way to go, particularly performance wise after the initial checkout and its tendency to explode. I still want to see that imported though. However, it is an end user tool, not a developer tool. >> I don't find it unreasonable to ask developers to install the port. >> And for users it seems all they need is something like portsnap for base. >> Portsnap already distributes ports svn so it shouldn't be too hard to >> adapt it for base. And the extra layer it adds is very convenient. Apart >> from a bigger than usual update maybe, portsnap users never even noticed >> it was switched from cvs to svn at some point. > > > Installing SVN from ports is very painful because of the huge dependency > chain it carries, with the largest being Python and Perl IIRC. That was one of my main motivations. A 2 year old machine builds this in ~35 seconds with *no* footprint. The dependency abomination in ports tests my non-violent nature. This is a major source of pain on the freebsd.org cluster and after the stealth perl ABI changes without a version bump.. well.. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV On IRC, talking about C++: I think that it is a good thing I will never meet Bjarne on a street cause really, I don't want to end up in prison or anything