From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 18 21:17:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B7E16A417 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-49.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-49.bluehost.com [69.89.18.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1091913C447 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 10447 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2007 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IickE-0007C6-7T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:17:30 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9ILI2i7029352 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l9ILI23F029351 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:18:02 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20071018211802.GC28392@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20071018133421.B92952@prime.gushi.org> <47179E35.2000700@gmail.com> <20071018195134.GJ57252@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071018195134.GJ57252@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:17:31 -0000 On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 03:51:34PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Rob wrote: > > > Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > > >I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. > > >I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It > > >costs a lot of money. > > > > There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the > > archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The > > certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that > > sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? > > Sounds a little like way back when 'Crest" toothpaste used to adversised > that it was the only one accepted as an effective dentifrice by the > American Dental Association (I think that was the name they used) when > they were the only ones who had ever sought the credential and essentially > made up the category themselves. After several years some other brand > finally did it too and then they all quit using it in their advertising. > > So, probably this is only meaningful as long as Apple Spotted Cat OS is > the only one doing it. If someone else does it, then it won't be > worth anything to anyone. I'm at least aware of the following Single UNIX Specification compliant OSes: AIX Darwin[1] HP-UX MacOS X OpenServer Solaris Tru64 Unix UnixWare UX/4800 z/OS [1]: I'm guessing about Darwin, as a subset of MacOS X that contains all the bits needed to make a complete Unix-like OS. It may not be officially recognized as compliant. Not all versions of all of those are compliant, of course, but they all have been or are currently (meaning, in some previous or current release version) certified SUS compliant. There are quite a few "Enterprisey" corporate shops that put a lot of stock in SUS certification, so in terms of widespread adoption in business environments for server implementations, it's not something that "won't be worth anything to anyone". Whether or not that means it's worth anything to FreeBSD is up for debate, I suppose. I find myself wondering if the SUS is losing what technical value it may have once had. The fact that MacOS X is certified kinda makes me even more suspicious of the value of the certification than I was already. Of course, with the rate at which open source OSes like FreeBSD (and other BSD Unix systems, and of course Linux distributions) progress, one must wonder how SUS certification can even be practical in application in the open source world. Certification takes time and money, and would need to be acquired anew for every release version (unless things change in regard to how certification is applied). That seems a little outside the realm of reasonability. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Isaac Asimov: "Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is completely programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest."