From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 13 02:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7639816A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebee.digiware.nl (dsl390.iae.nl [212.61.63.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E543D1D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wjw@withagen.nl) Received: from dual (dual [212.61.27.71]) by freebee.digiware.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with SMTP id i1DA4heL008851; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:04:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wjw@withagen.nl) Message-ID: <0b1401c3f218$ddbdb480$471b3dd4@dual> From: "Willem Jan Withagen" To: "Andre Guibert de Bruet" References: <07b801c3f0c5$50b88780$471b3dd4@dual> <20040211181705.GC69282@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040211221605.GF52347@FreeBSD.org.ua> <087f01c3f14d$3ba3c430$471b3dd4@dual> <20040213044923.G34361@alpha.siliconlandmark.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:05:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading world from 5.0-dp1 to 5.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:05:22 -0000 From: "Andre Guibert de Bruet" > > It'll sound like justifying myself but perhaps the lines on COMMON ITEMS > > should be the same layout as about 5.x performance. So there's a bigger > > chance that newbies (or lazies) get to see this part of the file. > > Or split the file in 2 parts: updating.actuals and updating.common > > There's enough troubles trying to get people to read one file, and you > want to introduce another? :-) [I did notice the smiley] Let's put it this way: I've printed the file: 22 pages...... And only after 3/4 of it, the real general stuff starts. I assume most people will give up long before that. So they never get to the part that they REALLY REALLY should read. At least I did on the first time, until Ruslan pointed me at it. So what about those that are new to FBSD??? I'm running it since 1.1 and still manage to get into trouble. (Still got the CD :-) ) --WjW