From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 10:40:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2241316A405 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE61613C469 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7074C46DA0; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86ps6h8as6.fsf@dwp.des.no> Message-ID: <20070407063804.H30801@fledge.watson.org> References: <20070405.140109.39240822.imp@bsdimp.com> <20070406142326.GC6950@hoeg.nl> <20070406153500.GE6950@hoeg.nl> <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> <461697C3.8000700@elischer.org> <86ps6h8as6.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1987776983-1175942421=:30801" Cc: Ed Schouten , FreeBSD Current , Nikolas Britton , Julian Elischer Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:40:22 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1987776983-1175942421=:30801 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Nikolas Britton" writes: >> Julian Elischer writes: >>> We have a LOT of old systems running around the world. >> But the old systems don't need the latest and greatest copy of >> FreeBSD! This is why we provide errata / security fixes. The systems >> are a static non moving target ??? > > Excuse me? Who's "we"? > > Julian, Warner, Scott, Bernd, Giorgios, Wilko, myself and many others who= =20 > have contradicted you in this discussion are veteran FreeBSD developers w= ith=20 > something like a hundred years of industry experience between us. > > You, on the other hand are just a pathetic little fuck who has repeatedly= =20 > demonstrated his complete lack of understanding of anything remotely=20 > approaching real computers, real software and real life. > > You do not get to tell us how to run our project. > > You do not get to say "we". Guys, This is getting out of hand. It's clear that people can and will be runnin= g=20 FreeBSD on older hardware for a long time to come, and that we can accept o= r=20 disregard this advice -- or even find a middle ground, like determining=20 whether shipping additional kernel configurations would help -- without=20 turning this into a flame war. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge --0-1987776983-1175942421=:30801--