From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 9 17:21:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432F916A420 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:21:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131FE43D53 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:21:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19HL2vF037514; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k19HL2P8037513; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:21:01 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20060209172101.GA37464@thought.org> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060208202634.0211cea8@broadpark.no> <20060208204359.GA19830@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 19+ years of service to the Unix community Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A script for poets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:21:07 -0000 On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:49:47PM -0600, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 2/8/06, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > > > Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > > > has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > > > rhymes, > > > poems or just make up funny lines. > > As below, but textproc/dadadodo is about it so > far as meaningfulness in computer generated > text can get. > > > > > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. > > > . . . > > Quite the task, that. Reading Spenser, Shakespeare, > and older metrical and rhyming poetry can give you > an indication of how difficult even the bland, mechanical > regurgiation of poetry can be: > Most words ending in -ed have one more syllable than > we usually enunciate. > Room and Rome can rhyme. > Wawain, Gawain, Gawaine are exactly the same person. > > Most of this can be scripted around, double entries in > the syllabary for possible pronunciations and known > obscure rhymes, etc. Still leaves no way to innovate > structure that's not coded in. > Anyway, this gets into AI, and as jwz points out, most of > modern AI research is fairly intellectually dishonest. > Yeh, given the way the English has stolen, borrowed words from Everywhere--and still is--it just makes sense to spend a few years taking poetry classes than invest decades trying to invent an AI tool. Poetry, creativity, philosophy (for starters) are just a few areas where we poor humans still beat any program. Thanks the gods. gary PS: among my Jottings stuff I dreamed up something like: "the reign of depression" ... . AI? Foo! > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix