From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Wed May 16 12:58:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A25FEE0C81 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C056187839; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id c5-v6so730341itj.1; Wed, 16 May 2018 05:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Khe6V63w66sPlxb8Jn9Se2XYfr08+0T1DOUz4QJ3LZk=; b=KZrfMKLRhKYa4zO4BCVddtEndGuOBnpIqPsjHF5oIjbJvnR3A1VDnRxDHcOp4Ey4ag 9j/sJETJ40ENFFZn/k4WSCDpQVv0+OEWkC38u+oYiD1Q1Ow4+gKgKS8xREBJv/N5jlCz LNPM0qEyc5XYW6K18A35gMJH6ZtbkwMEiVlQ15ttW2Bo3CNjAlJooLOWXCaF0WnpD5Jq aLp7sY2Ubw8zSFO4MwsVw6Yja9Qux8ad2Uk3rXG3ZwRk30iLVqNnP4XWp0L6Nf7CsVaT SyBeEVKWbwLKb8CRx+Go/B6pvRKIHMkcKGUHrdRIs1WXaNDY0mstH5XeCG7eZGmYjzpa vIdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Khe6V63w66sPlxb8Jn9Se2XYfr08+0T1DOUz4QJ3LZk=; b=BWR4OiNPF5acLw41zbzzJiB/SSu9lSLUJ9okQLN/0LKLG0+7ppL5X3v3Vxotbi6VoW YI5neE1u26CNPBatvnnrZ9ITHgqkyM6AP3bKlw0OCHmYsE6EY4E4duxiFRXrbMtpR/c8 ivCNmNMJNZZIg7HiYVf58jCEBmAGi2ECub/xwczxkKS1+wTrTYxkLVBU+0omls7ZSPlE Fr/zx2n2HLVGa4fDSZGNlr4+pqjKCSFLOFudokKHWWxE9Q0viqP64+XY8k07mAt6bI9N ER+3jbjMekgDwTCl/UO+fqv3XdWTsh/NQMfebp92T/mL3fnwKE5fEW86USUfkAMm8caV /Gwg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwddfqNTYTUZE64G1utGRjTYTqAriYnXudT0gjCeIHNCFjFbj907 Z9DtxCzvzw4wBnvN7vxKyfvqCEkEHP/7aeYHQ2k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoYnwtAtXwa2IVkeKPmfPd73/xBxolaxyg4NigFbfJdsvtyl7Mo9BJRuQVmcQiVFaoIAAIo6n0rNM50nxVCuEk= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:81a:: with SMTP id 26-v6mr879009ioi.136.1526475492186; Wed, 16 May 2018 05:58:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:c68a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2018 05:58:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1526474572.62936.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> References: <20170222120828.zkrfh56swen7r44o@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <3635692.Vys3mgEcQY@workstation.reztek> <237b2552-c97c-fd41-5509-ed611f0103dd@freebsd.org> <1526474572.62936.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 20:58:11 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: your mail To: Greg V Cc: Johannes Lundberg , x11-list freebsd , Niclas Zeising Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 12:58:13 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:42 PM, Greg V wrote: > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:48 PM, blubee blubeeme > wrote: > > There's absolutely no reason for anyone to invest any resources into > developing a proper graphics stack for FreeBSD if the FreeBSD devs are only > going to rely on Jerry-rigged stuff from Linux. The mailing list is > bombarded by regressions and issues with the Linuxkpi stuff. For > lightweight stuff sure, use the Linuxkpi if u have to but for a major > component of the platform, that's just pathetic. There are talented devs > out there who can get the work done, they just need to be financing, then > organized. Seeing as most other platforms got their networking stack from > BSD, it's a sad state when FreeBSD has to use Linuxkpi to get networking > drivers. If stating that the FreeBSD graphics stack is in a sad position is > "shitting on people" then I'm guilty of that. I just know that we can and > should do better. > > > As if the graphics stack doesn't have lots of issues and regressions *on > Linux*. > Heck, proprietary vendor drivers on Windows often have worse issues than > the open source graphics stack! > > FreeBSD is not in a sad position, it's in a great position. > I'm literally writing this from a Weston desktop that uses atomic > modesetting on AMDGPU DC (on a Polaris card). VA-API video acceleration > works. Vulkan (RADV) works both in X11 and Wayland apps. OpenCL (Clover) > works. Overclocking the GPU and VRAM works. > This is awesome! I can't imagine anything better. A couple years ago we > barely had i915 Haswell support. > > There is NOTHING wrong with a compatibility layer like LinuxKPI. The only > better way would be a standardized kernel interface that all Unix-like > kernels agree on. Good luck with getting them to agree on *anything*. > > And yeah, speaking of network, my Mellanox ConnectX-2 works fine. So both > of the things I have plugged into PCIe on my tower have LinuxKPI based > drivers :P > Great, I am happy for you.