From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 18:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD91216A4DD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ps@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D4D43D5C for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ps@mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 868F41A4DBE; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:39:56 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: Jeff Rollin Message-ID: <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> References: <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831142321.27596.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6a506d980608311020j156ac46cyb92f1c7bec80d439@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260608311033l7c16e7bq4ea5c87561095714@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8a0028260608311033l7c16e7bq4ea5c87561095714@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:56 -0000 Jeff Rollin (jeff.rollin@gmail.com) wrote: > If Yahoo (to pick the one big vendor I remember making a big thing of using > a BSD) don't reincorporate their changes, perhaps that's because the license > allows them not to? If you think that Yahoo! has not given back to the FreeBSD project, then you are sorely mistaken. Let me count the ways that Yahoo! has given back. 1. Most of the freebsd cluster resides in a Yahoo! datacenter 2. Up until I left at the end of June, Yahoo had a team of 5 people working on FreeBSD and we gave back just about everything we were working on to the project. Now there are 4, but they are doing incredible work for FreeBSD. 3. NFS locking came from Yahoo! 4. SACK came from Yahoo! 5. Accept filters came from Yahoo! 6. AMD64 port came from Yahoo! 7. IA64 hardware and support came from Yahoo! pushing Intel 8. bce came from Yahoo/Iron port pushing on Broadcom to produce a driver 9. ciss came from Yahoo! 10. bge improvements and fixes came from Yahoo! 11. accept filters came from Yahoo! 12. Numerous private contracts to improve various drivers were funded by Yahoo! 13. A ton of ATA hardware was sent to sos to make sure drivers were supported and yahoo didn't even use most of those controllers. 14. Many other developers got hardware directly from Yahoo! 15. Intel supporting em on FreeBSD came from Yahoo! pressuring Intel 16. minidumps 17. twe/twa support came from Yahoo! pressuring 3ware I can go on, but my memory gets hazy after 6.5 years of working on FreeBSD for Yahoo, so before you go bashing Yahoo!, just know that there are plenty of people doing nothing but FreeBSD work at Yahoo! We never felt it necessary to actually note that code came from Yahoo! since most committers know that the code came from Yahoo!