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Date:      Thu, 24 Jul 2025 10:59:30 -0400
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: rtadvd appears to ignore options set in /etc/rtadvd.conf
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">BTW the reason this behavior is
      definitely bad news is the following:</div>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Note that if the delegated address
      changes the host in question does get it marked "deprecated"
      essentially immediately but it remains in the address table for a
      very long time which is both pointless and, if the delegated
      address changes on a relatively frequent basis (you'd hope it
      doesn't but it might) you will wind up with a lot of deprecated
      addresses. That's annoying but otherwise not a huge problem.<br>
      <br>
      HOWEVER, what is a significant problem is if IPv6 disappears (that
      is, presume the gateway crashes or is rebooted and on restart
      fails to get a new IPv6 delegation at all) -- since you can't set
      the shorter valid time and have it work the system(s) that
      previously got those SLACC addresses on your inside network will
      attempt to connect outbound on them and fail since no further
      rtadvd updates will show up to tell the box that the delegation
      and route has changed.=C2=A0 This wildly damages performance until =
said
      time expires, you reboot them or manually remove the IPv6 SLACC
      address from the interface on each of those devices -- and that
      potentially could be a very large number of devices.</div>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/2025 07:47, Karl Denninger
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:1c7759d6-559e-4b2c-8bc0-a7a5fba28484@denninger.net">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DU=
TF-8">
      <p>Nope -- no change:</p>
      <p>07:44:23.810602 IP6 (hlim 255, next-header ICMPv6 (58) payload
        length: 56) fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f895 &gt; ff02::1: [icmp6 sum
        ok] ICMP6, router advertisement, length 56<br>
        =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hop limit 64, Flags [none], pref medi=
um, router lifetime
        1800s, reachable time 0ms, retrans timer 0ms<br>
        =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 source link-address option (1)=
, length 8 (1):
        00:e0:b4:68:f8:95<br>
        =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 prefix info option (3), length=
 32 (4):
        2606:83c0:8000:1b00::/64, Flags [onlink, auto], valid time
        2592000s, pref. time 604800s<br>
      </p>
      <p>Note that I cannot set an actual valid "address" in the config
        file since I have no clue what it is in advance (it comes off
        the delegation from the ISP of course)</p>
      <p>This looks like a bug (starting rtadvd with verbose debugging
        on in the foreground doesn't log any complaints -- it looks like
        it just ignores the parameters.)</p>
      <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2025 23:26, John Hay wrote:<=
br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:CAGv8uaoOJ5K3DghoXJHzGchTT_8xMdmOQyrQbFHJ73nUMB2fzw@mail.gmai=
l.com">
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">
          <div>Hi Karl,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>What if you use a =3D instead of the #? For example
            :vltime=3D86400:</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I set rdnss and dnssl using =3D and that works.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>John</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">
          <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 at
            01:38, Karl Denninger &lt;<a
              href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=

              class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">karl@denninger.net</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">
            <div>
              <div>On 7/23/2025 16:47, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Wed, 23 Jul 2025, Karl
                Denninger wrote: <br>
                <br>
                Hi, <br>
                <br>
                (sorry I deleted the message as the tex/only part was
                barely parsable). <br>
                <br>
                Can you, for testing, try adding an <br>
                =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0addr=3D"xxx:xxx:xxx:xxxx::":\ <br=
>
                to one of your entries and see if the behaviour changes?
                <br>
                <br>
                /bz=C2=A0<br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
              root@IpGw:/etc # more /etc/rtadvd.conf<br>
              # Set the preferred lifetime to 10 minutes on advertised
              prefixes.<br>
              # All other parameters are default.<br>
              #<br>
              default:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :vltime#86400:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :pltime#3600:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :prefixlen#64:addr=3D"xxx:xxx:x=
xx:xxxx::":<br>
              ix1:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :vltime#86400:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :pltime#3600:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :prefixlen#64:addr=3D"xxx:xxx:x=
xx:xxxx::":<br>
              ix1.4:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :vltime#86400:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :pltime#3600:\<br>
              =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :prefixlen#64:<br>
              <p>No change -- the announcement is going out on ix1 from
                the gateway.</p>
              <p>On machine receiving the advertisements:</p>
              <p>19:35:49.085297 IP6 (hlim 255, next-header ICMPv6 (58)
                payload length: 56) fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f895 &gt;
                ff02::1: [icmp6 sum ok] ICMP6, router advertisement,
                length 56<br>
                =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hop limit 64, Flags [none], p=
ref medium, router
                lifetime 1800s, reachable time 0ms, retrans timer 0ms<br>=

                =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 source link-address op=
tion (1), length 8 (1):
                00:e0:b4:68:f8:95<br>
                =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 prefix info option (3)=
, length 32 (4):
                2606:83c0:8000:1b00::/64, Flags [onlink, auto], <b><u>val=
id
                    time 2592000s, pref. time 604800s</u></b><br>
                <br>
              </p>
              <br>
              <div>-- <br>
                Karl Denninger<br>
                <a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" target=3D"_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext=
">karl@denninger.net</a><br>
                <i>The Market Ticker</i><br>
                <font size=3D"-2"><i>[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]</=
i></font></div>
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      <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
        Karl Denninger<br>
        <a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net"
          class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">karl@d=
enninger.net</a><br>
        <i>The Market Ticker</i><br>
        <font size=3D"-2"><i>[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]</i></font=
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    <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
      Karl Denninger<br>
      <a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetex=
t">karl@denninger.net</a><br>
      <i>The Market Ticker</i><br>
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