From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Feb 14 07:25:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77EBAA7A35 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7036C115A for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id k196so87850949vka.0 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:25:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OEJuSemPWoBIuoG8yHU43MbMatIbrkWakFCB3z4pnBk=; b=xSFvEg9oNeJT2rID+JpDsKxzhycAT/Vm2feQVpXC443vPID9QviINFS/3tiYiW+gUO pUX4nMqqTVCY2k3WNheKOYajAnOJms1SQcJSknPbgVTZX2tyJCEWfWw8UIPgPzX/i2T9 AiPcZz3rsajUOY9we04KDoWF6e9VK+F+1gMlMOAOVPDATPUERELDQS1SYww4T+bPWJZE XPSIOWboIIHPpq3da02LYD+GK/SDZhaTnYWMPG27z2cz8v/GKk1xdZxv0utWqE9RmarS cByn6z79hu/A9aCRYfblziwLnIBAthZUeGTKH7JZg2mr752XAfNFL4lP/ZR0HPsmaeBU /11w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OEJuSemPWoBIuoG8yHU43MbMatIbrkWakFCB3z4pnBk=; b=c3fO3CQ/NopuLOfK3cTx6Ss2rCxvzoh75sag85B3hsi0oBJrhX+//yZpUA8BWqk2jm RVEu93MoF41VK6ufMByEhUvexGseXVERHyDPOj2vQpReAIK5LAy2uuT9zS6utoKC43yF RLJ0y0Vgg6rqvot/t8YvzakOHwcoCt7Liw3SLiDJNn0zsdFgLZmgSnNA6hftmDfP51Ls o4WMYfjUaT+uvy0mH8qNoS/OLDOQxnkWME9TSxbjNv7p+ZyzdaEbKxWIJ3UfexB2tqiT gqinOF5aP0jUGHYQXxQTl7XekCQj7KIhyKi7SnsnirFp2qouHLWO0DJr9JSBoOYWsY/v A4Gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTO53tIF9wH2pcn/GANbReLhlJKXkTgYONMD9IRneO/m3dsHtFpg8j+DzxqbifmdZkZDoW+KfCEqeZ70Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.173.18 with SMTP id w18mr7235680vke.31.1455434740311; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:25:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.176.67.37 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:25:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56BF0577.7010808@sorbs.net> References: <56B754A8.3030605@marino.st> <56BCE01D.4010701@FreeBSD.org> <56BCE218.40403@marino.st> <56BCEC5F.4020007@marino.st> <56BDF2A3.9030100@ohlste.in> <56BE0CC5.50103@sorbs.net> <20160212190032.GD26283@home.opsec.eu> <56BF0577.7010808@sorbs.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:25:40 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BGIqq_NmI08Nj-yCtoA9p_CU4R0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removing documentation From: Kevin Oberman To: Michelle Sullivan Cc: Kurt Jaeger , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:25:41 -0000 On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Michelle wrote: > > > >> ports (post pkg) from source: exactly the same problems as pre-pkg plus > >> occasionally the DB would get corrupted and then you have to nuke the > >> entire package system from orbit and reinstall all the ports. > >> > > > > Interestingly, I had my cases of strange dependencies chains, but > > I can't remember a case where the pkg-db was really trashed to no > > longer function. > > > > The more recent pkg versions are very robust for my use cases. > > > > > It was earlyish (first 6-9 months) in the "you're going to use this now > whether you like it or not and whether it works or not phase".. since > then I've made the ports system work with pkg_tools again so no longer > have anything to do with pkg. Its a good stop-gap until I can get the > build environment integrated into the CentOS one @ $employer. > > -- > Michelle Sullivan > http://www.mhix.org/ My experience is that pkg(8) has been wonderfully robust since 1.3. before 1.3 it was a real pain in the neck, though I never had a need to rebuild the DB, I did ave to do a bit of fix-up. I really, really wish Bapt had listened and held up the default to pkg for a bit. Much as I like it, it really was not ready for prime time when it became the default. The early issues chased too many people away. E.g. you. I've had exactly zero issues since shortly after 1.4 was released. 4.1 bit me rather painfully, but was quickly fixed, as I recall. (N.B. This is all from memory as my records and notes went away when I retired.) -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683