From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 25 12:57:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.neomedia.it (aragorn.neomedia.it [195.103.207.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1D537B409 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from httpd@localhost) by aragorn.neomedia.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8PJvUj17701; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:57:30 +0200 (CEST) To: Konstantinos Konstantinidis , Rahul Siddharthan Subject: Re: helping victims of terror Message-ID: <1001447850.3bb0e1aa11dfc@webmail.neomedia.it> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:57:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4-cvs X-WebMail-Company: Neomedia s.a.s. X-Originating-IP: 62.98.238.59 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is easy to dismiss a case of a lone terrorist as an act of lunacy or > whatever, but it takes a cause (whether it is just or not is irrelevant > and only history will be the judge of that) for so many people to team > up and conspire and execute a plan as complex as that, especially one > which involves the planned death of members of the team. I won't discuss the mistakes USA has/have made and/or the right and/or the type and extent of the [military] measures to be taken. Nobody has clean hands here. ;-) Let us suppose for one moment that, in Islamic countries, each and every [real or perceived as such] cause for hatred for the USA and the Western world were removed. In particular, in Afghanistan. Islam != "Islamic" fundamentalism In the past centuries (especially VIII, IX, X, XI A.D.), one of the most important and widespread civilizations was Islamic; its achievements can still be seen and admired today; and the Western World, as well as Western Culture, is greatly indebted to it. As certain Islamic authorities have pointed out in the past few days, the Koran neither speaks of "holy war" nor says that such crimes and/or atrocities as those committed on September 11 are "holy" in any sense whatsoever. Rather, BION, Islam is essentially a religion of **peace**. The cavemen which^H^H^H^H^Hwho live in Afghanistan and other ahem "Islamic" countries have NOTHING to do with Islam. They could be using **any** **other** **pretext** for their troglodyte behavio(u)r. In other words, religio instrumentum regni. The destruction of the statues of Buddha should not be dismissed as "folklore" and/or suchlike. It is indicative of a well-defined ahem "vision" of the world, viz no idea of human rights, and no room for women's rights at all. Eg women are refused studies, professions, etc. <"cultural features" snipped> It is interesting to note that, by contrast, **actual** primitive men did leave us paintings, monuments, etc. As a corollary of the above-mentioned vision, obviously, the Western World is completely wrong, and, of course, irremediably corrupt. More generally, any vision of the world that goes past *that* troglodyte level is [completely] wrong, and [irremediably] corrupt. Thus, western countries at large set a very, very, very bad example. Even if there were **no** cause whatsoever for hatred, as I have supposed, the Western World would nevertheless appear (at best) filthy, if not irreparably/totally lost. I am afraid that the ahem troglodytes in question would perpetrate horrible crimes on the western peoples all the same, sooner or later; otherwise stated, such a disaster as the WTC one would just be a question of time. It is their **ideology** that leads them to believe that the Western World, its culture, its art, and its way of life have to be destroyed. By the way, nowadays a number of ahem "Muslims" -- coming from a few "Islamic" countries -- are invited by their "religious" leaders to deceive western (Christian) women into marrying them, with the precise aim of turning these women, and their future sons, into slaves -- slaves of a distorted conception of Islam. That is, slaves tout court. Again, this has NOTHING to do with Islam as a civilization and/or as a religion. Sorry for the pessimism. Am I missing something? -- Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message