From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 16:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6366F16A4B3 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portal.aphroland.org (portal.aphroland.org [216.39.174.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494DA43FCB for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slikens@bsdwebsolutions.com) Received: by portal.aphroland.org (Postfix, from userid 1010) id B56D22F6F6; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acheron.livid.de (10.10.10.88-unassigned.aphroland.org [10.10.10.88]) by portal.aphroland.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDBB2F6ED; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desolation.livid.de (10.10.10.132-unassigned.aphroland.org [10.10.10.132]) by acheron.livid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC556526A; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:24:41 -0700 From: "Scott M. Likens" To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <74966686.1066494281@[10.10.10.132]> In-Reply-To: <3F9185B5.8991.A01B733@localhost> References: <3F9185B5.8991.A01B733@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on gateway.aphroland.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.54 2002/02/15 16:59:07 bre Exp $ cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Help saving my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:24:43 -0000 --On Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:25 PM -0400 Dan Langille wrote: > On 18 Oct 2003 at 12:16, Scott M. Likens wrote: > > [stuff deleted] > >> Comments anyone? > > Yes. Next time, don't bother posting. > > I apologise for my previous post. I should have added what I was > thinking. That follows. > > There's little use or sense in reacting the way you did (not that my > original post was much better). In reply to a plea for help, it would > have been much better to have suggested course of action to remedy > the situation, such as others have done. This is a community mailing > list and people are expected to contribute in a positive manner. > Ridicule is unacceptable. > > Cherse Cheers? ^^ > -- > Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ > You know one thing i've learned in this world is to do your research before you ask your questions. Try and be absolutely sure that you can't fix it on your own. Then you lay out the problem in the most descriptive way possible. Of course that isn't always possible. But you try to be as descriptive as possible. Now here is my problem a user installs 5.1-release, then downgrades to 4.9, then wants to go back to 5.1? or even stays at 4.9 Okay, there is a serious problem with this because as we all know library's changed drastically both in the extension and purpose from 4.x to 5.x So to downgrade, can be extremely painful and you can't expect much to work right. I think we all can agree on this. But in this situation it should come under CYA, (Cover your ass). You shoud at this point, backup, reformat and get it over with. Because at that point you've just spent more time then it's worth. Takes 30mins to reinstall, maybe 30more mins to get the basic packages installed and setup? Well here we just waisted a few hours of time on the mailing list, atleast .5seconds cpu time, and roughly 8k-10k bandwidth that could have been used otherwise. So when I see a message like that I get offended, because I always tell people NEVER to downgrade from 5.x to 4.x, nor to upgrade from 4.x to 5.x But I guess he's not a client, so it does not matter. The point is, use your brain, and you'll find yourself asking less questions and getting more done. Scott --- The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. - George Carlin